Dear Mollie and Teddy

[MarkMyWords]

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On 12/30/2002 10:31:06 AM lakeguy267 wrote:

You really should investigate what you post, mechanics and related have NEVER EVER had a 30 minute washup time, it is five minutes[/P]
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What may have started out as five minutes of wash up time turned into closer to 15. The mechanic needed 10 minutes to put away their tools and other such items, prior to their 5 minutes wash up. The same type of abuses hold true for some Reserve Pilots. Used to be in their contract language that a short reserve had 90 minutes to report for a quick call. Differences in interpretation have led that to become 90 minutes to get to the employee parking lot. And just try to get a quick call Pilot in BOS in less then 2.5-3 hours. Very rare that you will find someone that close.

The envelope was pushed further and further. It was time that we eliminate these inefficiencies.

 

[trvlr64]

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On 12/30/2002 4:36:05 PM USAirBoyA330 wrote:

As an AFA member that is represented by Mollie....I would ask that Mollie not be put in the same category as Teddy. From my unfortunate dealing with Ms. Teddy Xidas she is completely certifiable. Mollie is very bright and has a lot of good ideas however she sometimes expresses them in colorful ways. I could say MUCH more but I won't. I was in the PIT crew room a few days ago and almost every F/A there agreed that Teddy was in LA LA LAND and I don't believe she represents anywhere near the majority in PIT. It's beyond me as to why she is still in office.

She needs to crawl down off the cross...we need the wood.
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She just likes seeing herself on the 5pm, 6pm, and 11pm news I think. Oh wait, KDKA starts at 4 pm now and then you have WPGH at 10pm. DANG!! Teddy can be see all over the place!

 

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[BLOCKQUOTE][BR]----------------[BR]On 12/30/2002 3:49:44 PM MarkMyWords wrote:
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[BLOCKQUOTE][BR]----------------[BR]On 12/30/2002 10:31:06 AM lakeguy267 wrote: [BR][BR]You really should investigate what you post, mechanics and related have NEVER EVER had a 30 minute washup time, it is five minutes[BR]----------------[BR][/BLOCKQUOTE][BR][BR]What may have started out as five minutes of wash up time turned into closer to 15. The mechanic needed 10 minutes to put away their tools and other such items, prior to their 5 minutes wash up. The same type of abuses hold true for some Reserve Pilots. Used to be in their contract language that a short reserve had 90 minutes to report for a quick call. Differences in interpretation have led that to become 90 minutes to get to the employee parking lot. And just try to get a quick call Pilot in BOS in less then 2.5-3 hours. Very rare that you will find someone that close.[BR][BR]The envelope was pushed further and further. It was time that we eliminate these inefficiencies. [BR][BR]
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[P][/P]you have a valid point,however...if you were turning wrenches for ME...and after an eight hour shift of using YOUR wrenches,do you feel its warranted for you to have 5 minutes to clean all your wrenches,give a work turnover and then a washup in 5 minutes? i do agree this system is abused,but what if you are in this boat?how long do think is a fair clean up time if i have been using MY tools which I paid for to fix YOUR aircraft so YOU can make a PROFIT?

 

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[BLOCKQUOTE][BR]----------------[BR]On 12/30/2002 310 PM cavalier wrote:
[P]Sound familiar?? It should, you are in the same boat now. No matter how you slice it the free market is rendering your airline a relic unless the pay, benefit structure can be brought into alignment with the fares people are willing to pay, it's just that simple. It sucks but it's not a mystery![BR][BR]-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------[BR][BR][FONT size=3][BR][BR]Totally in agreement Bob---GOOD POST[BR][BR]Some younger people may not remember like we do, hence the hard nose attitudes of some. [BR][BR]I never worked in the mills, they were on their way out just when I was going into the salt mines. I remember going to US Steel Home Stead Works, circa 1971 to fill out an application for a job. There were probably 100 people in line, they were employees signing up for what was called sub pay. Meaning, they not only received their unemployment benefits, but also were receiving weekly sub pay checks so they were earning NO less unemployed than working full time! So yes Bob, what you are saying is very true indeed about inefficiencies back then and even now, but not quite to that extent today. Everywhere I worked around the Pittsburgh area before working for U, there were former steel workers all saying how easy they had it and how little they did and made BIG money. Those days are history, and the exact same thing is occurring in the airline industry these days. Anyone who can't see it is blind, in denial, or just too young to remember. It's what we folks call capitalism, best system on the planet but no way “perfectâ€￾ and “fairâ€￾ because this is not socialism, thank GOD. [BR][BR][FONT size=2][/FONT][BR][/FONT][/P]----------------[/BLOCKQUOTE]
[P][/P][STRONG]cav,i have to respectfully disagree with you here...i AM one of those that you talk about....sub pay helped,my freind...but it NEVER put you back to where you were. i was there,i collected and i realized the"BENEFIT" of sub pay...believe me ...it wasn't what you think it was. besides that,soon into 1972 work hit the roof...we were making all kind of steel due to the rich market in veetnamm and making bomb casings ala national tube...... and armor plate ala homestead and edgar thomson works.i was gainfully employed from june 6 1970 until january 2 1982...so please cav,i was there.and my friend,this how i became an a/p....after '82....now maybe i'll be a nurse for $30/hour??[BR]hoping WE have a safe and prosperous NEW YEAR![/STRONG]

 

[pitguy]

It makes me wonder if some of these people in here drive Japanese cars with American flag decals in the windows.

 

[diogenes]

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On 12/31/2002 8:59:46 AM chipmunn wrote:

Cav brought up a good point. Instead of ranting or "shooting the messenger", what should be the US Airways business plan and how can the airline complete against the low cost carriers and RJ operators?

The non-mature airline company's have dramatically lower cost structures including lower labor expense. Teddy, how do we compete against these operators?

Chip
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Kindly point out where WN has a lower labor expense vis a vis U, reference agents.

 

[chipmunn]

Cav brought up a good point. Instead of ranting or "shooting the messenger", what should be the US Airways business plan and how can the airline complete against the low cost carriers and RJ operators?

The non-mature airline company's have dramatically lower cost structures including lower labor expense. Teddy, how do we compete against these operators?

Chip

 

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[BLOCKQUOTE][BR]----------------[BR][BR][BR][SPAN class=BodyFont] --------------------------------[BR][BR][BR][BR] We have a guy in sheet metal from the steel mills who still believes this crap, he is living in an era that will never return.[STRONG]by the way,hows maxie these days?[/STRONG][BR][BR]Cavalier, Pure American Chevy Through & Through is what I drive. No nonsense 5 speed with great mileage, enough power and pretty much loaded these days even when bare bones from the factory.[EM] [/EM][/SPAN][/BLOCKQUOTE][BR][BR]<: [img src='http://www.usaviation.com/idealbb/images/smilies/14.gif'>

 

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[P]It makes me wonder if some of these people in here drive Japanese cars with American flag decals in the windows.[/P]----------------[/BLOCKQUOTE]
[P][/P]just stop and really think about everything you have and own down to your tools,kitchen items,tv etc...[BR]you may try to buy american,but its imposible for everything....

 

[cavalier]

[SPAN class=BodyFont]It makes me wonder if some of these people in here drive Japanese cars with American flag decals in the windows.[BR]---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------[BR][BR]
[P]Toyota is made in KY, does that qualify....Other models in different states as well, look at Dave’s B state for example.. STEEL MILL Mentality I am hearing… If you don’t drive an American car don’t park in my lot. Global, think global which like it or not, we are all looking at. We have a guy in sheet metal from the steel mills who still believes this crap, he is living in an era that will never return.[BR][BR]Cavalier, Pure American Chevy Through & Through is what I drive. No nonsense 5 speed with great mileage, enough power and pretty much loaded these days even when bare bones from the factory.[/P][/SPAN]

 

[cavalier]

cav,i have to respectfully disagree with you here...i AM one of those that you talk about....sub pay helped,my freind...but it NEVER put you back to where you were. i was there,i collected and i realized the"BENEFIT" of sub pay...believe me ...it wasn't what you think it was.[BR]--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------[BR]
[H6]Just reporting what I clearly remember one steel worker standing in line told me that day in Homestead. Like I said I didn’t work in the mills. I noticed you failed to refute my statement stating the steel mill workers didn’t work themselves to death. I think we all see the point, and yes, since you worked the mills you can understand better than anyone what is fact or otherwise. Personally, I wish they were still here, I would have probably been retired or close to it from one. My grandfather put in a quarter century at J&L Southside works, then left after all that time and drove a truck until retirement, guess he got tired of it? Crazy but true.[/H6]

 

[delldude]

yeah,he has a computer LOADED with all kinds 3rd world solid state...DUH!

 

[augustus]

It is amazing to see all the crap our union president (Teddy) puts in her responses. Just trying to decipher all her irrelevant statements and find out what exactly she is trying to say takes a lot of energy and time. Then she sprinkles her rhetoric with things like: "union busters" "profession" "take a stance" etc..... (She reads a book on busting unions and she thinks it is the Gospel) These are emotional, illogical and populist statements made in an attempt to illicit the same type of response from flight attendants. Smart flight attendants will see through Teddy's BS......... The vote before us is about surviving. IF we survive, we then fight back and continue the struggle for our profession. Until then, there IS NO PROFESSION if there IS NO COMPANY.....

.......When this is all over, it will be time to GET RID OF MOLLIE and TEDDY!

 

[diogenes]

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On 12/31/2002 9:24:01 AM diogenes wrote:

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On 12/31/2002 8:59:46 AM chipmunn wrote:

Cav brought up a good point. Instead of ranting or &quot;shooting the messenger&quot;, what should be the US Airways business plan and how can the airline complete against the low cost carriers and RJ operators?

The non-mature airline company's have dramatically lower cost structures including lower labor expense. Teddy, how do we compete against these operators?

Chip
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Kindly point out where WN has a lower labor expense vis a vis U, reference agents.
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Chip,

Perhaps you overlooked my question. Please substantiate your claim with regards to agents.

Thank you,

Dio

 

[Dea Certe]

I get the feeling Teddy and Mollie are doing a little political back pedaling. Why did they wait until now to come out publicly with their second thoughts? All it's done is create more confusion, fear and animosity in the ranks. Bronner and Dave S. hold all the cards right now. Voting NO at this point will accomplish nothing other than increase the risk of US closing up and leaving the employees without jobs, without furlough pay, without passes and without medical benefits immediately. RSA gets its money, Dave blames labor and both continue on much better off than we will.

Chapter 11 is much better than Chapter 7. We can still hope the BK court won't allow management to attempt any more shenanigans. The judge will have to at least listen to us. We've given up a lot in good faith. We are now being asked to give more. I don't think it's right or fair, but the court will plainly see labor has done its part.

We've got to get past these temper tantrums from all sides and move on, hopefully to a sucessful recovery.