CWA Files for Representation Election

[BoeingBoy]

Heck, 700 - AA said it gonna be a 20% reduction for the ARP employees, just like the pilots (I haven't looked at the term sheets for the other union groups yet). All we need is John John claiming that as a victory for the ad-hoc committee....

Jim

 

[700UW]

Yep, they couldnt save the agents at US and they represented them, never got them a pension, at least the IAM got the IAM Pension for Fleet, M&R and Maintenance Trainers.

Have they even begun negotiations for Piedmont yet? They did organize them right?

They are blowing smoke up the agents rear ends.

Remember what US did to the non-union at US back in 92?

Jim the term sheets are real ugly, I would even say they are worse than the terms sheets we got back in 2005.

 

[BoeingBoy]

In general they're what I expected. I'm on record as saying that I didn't think the pay cuts would be as big because the negotiated concessions at AA in 2003 took care of a lot of that, so the cuts would be mostly in productivity/headcount. Just looking at the AA pilots, the cuts look to be about 1/3 as much as US pilots took in the course of 2 bankruptcies - $300-some million/year vs about $1 Billion/year for a smaller group.

Jim

 

[700UW]

Maintenance and Fleet looks like a blood bath.

 

[john john]

Yep, they couldnt save the agents at US and they represented them, never got them a pension, at least the IAM got the IAM Pension for Fleet, M&R and Maintenance Trainers.

You mean a pension fund like this


http://iam141.org/us/index.html
District 141 was informed on December 17, 2010 of planned changes to our Defined Benefit Retirement Plan by the Trustees of the IAM National Pension Fund.
The necessity of the announced reduction in future accrual of pension benefits
value of the investments made by the Plan to insure sufficient money is available to pay the promised pension benefits.
Trustees have determined to reduce the accrual rate of future benefits instead of cutting existing benefits.
These announced changes by the National Pension Fund were not negotiated with nor agreed to by District 141.

Have they even begun negotiations for Piedmont yet? They did organize them right?

http://piedmontagent.org/index.cfm?action=cat&categoryID=c3f2755e-3391-4bf8-b025-56343a050e12
The Union negotiating team met with the Piedmont management team and the Federal Mediator (Michael Kelliher ) on January 11th and January 12th at the CWA Office in Philadelphia.

 

[700UW]

Bottom line is the IAM at US has a pension that the employee doesnt contribute too.

Can you say the same about the CWA, and the IAM is in negotiations for their 2nd post merger CBA, what about the CWA?

Oh wait, you accepted what ever the company offered as the CWA was too scared to make the employees vote, never saw an airline that has two unions representing the same work group.

East has the CWA and West Agents has the IBT, you were scared to let them vote when the company threatened to make it happen and the IBT and CWA both caved.

 

[john john]

Bottom line is

You better talk to your friends that are gone and present with fleet service as to IAM(fleet service} vs CWA CBA.The US agents CWA CBA is far superior to the fleet service CBA. Enough said.

 

[700UW]

Do you have a company paid pension?

And I talk to M&R and Fleet all the time, I still fly and I have many good friends still there.

How long has EN been organized?

And glad to see you just totally ignored how the IBT and CWA caved to US' demands as the IBT and CWA were scared to let the employees vote.

So you have IBT on the west and CWA on the East and you have a UPS driver negotiating your CBA.

How smart is that?

Andy Marshall, leading your negotiations, doesnt work for US, never worked for an airline, he is/was a UPS package delivery driver.

And your membership hates Velvet, a CWA rep in the company's pocket.

Yep great union you have there.

 

[john john]

And I talk to M&R and Fleet all the time, I still fly and I have many good friends still there.

Ask fleet what contract they would rather have next time. Hands down it would be CWA’s CBA There is your answer as to what kind of union CWA is

 

[700UW]

A union that doesnt negotiate when the company threatened a vote between the IBT and CWA.

A union that is still basically under a bankruptcy CBA.

A union that is using a UPS Delivery driver to head negotiations.

A union that has no pension.

Shall I go on?

Keep avoiding the truths I posted, nice of you to ignore that.

 

[john john]

A union that is using a UPS Delivery driver to head negotiations.

Maybe UPS Teamsters labor leaders should negotiate US mechanic contract. How smart are they?

A union that has no pension.

Yes your are wrong 401k employer contribution

A union that doesnt negotiate when the company threatened a vote between the IBT and CWA.

A union that is still basically under a bankruptcy CBA.

Again, CWA Agents negotiated a CBA that is far superior to the fleet service CBA.

CWA was successful in negotiating a snapback to pre bankrupisty CBA.
Something AA employees need to explore

 

[700UW]

A 401k is not a defined pension plan. So your wrong!

If an employee doesnt have a 401k, there is nothing for the company to match.

Do you know the difference between a defined benefit pension and a 401k?

Apparently not.

A DBP is company paid, nothing from the employee.

A 401k is the employee putting money into an account from their wages.

And lets see IBT represents the CO/UA mechanics, unlimited outsourcing.

IBT was voted off the WN property as they outsource the majority of their maintenance.

And the IAM has been succesful in bring the work back in-house and now 50% of all maintenance must be done in-house.

Got the holidays, vacation and sick time back.

So why did the CWA cave to US about having a union vote?

Care to keep ignoring that?

How many reseverations or passenger check-in has Andy Marshall done?

How many years did he work for US or HP?

The answer to both is ZERO!

Your comparing apples to oranges, two different work functions and groups. How about the IAM/PCE CBA vs the US/CWA CSA and RES CBA.

 

[john john]

Your comparing apples to oranges, two different work functions and groups. How about the IAM/PCE CBA vs the US/CWA CSA and RES CBA.

Thank for admitting there is no comparison The agents over a UA might not like your point of view.You better watch yourself big vote coming over there

 

[700UW]

Why would you compare two complete different jobs?

That would be like me saying, lets compare your CBA to a flight attendant or pilot or mtc contract.

And I see your still ignoring that a 401k is not a pension, you have to use your own money, unlike the IAMNPF.

And your still ignoring why did the CWA not want the agents to vote and choose between the CWA and IBT and caved to US and what us offered in a post merger CBA and did the agents even vote on the the CBA that the company put in place after the merger with the IBT representing the West and the CWA the East.

And you avoided about how long Andy worked for US, how many passengers did he check in and how many reservations did he make?

How could he do that in between delivering packages for UPS?

 

[BoeingBoy]

A 401k is not a defined pension plan. So your wrong!

You said "A union that has no pension." Do you see "DB" or "defined" in there anywhere? Guess who's wrong...

Jim