CWA Files for Representation Election

[eolesen]

Notably absent from the list of layoffs posted by the company were cuts for agents, reps & planners.

In fact, what was posted distinctly says they're collecting "employee feedback" from those workgroups.

So much for the allegation that the agents have no say, eh?

 

[BoeingBoy]

The objections were submitted by attorneys form the Association of Flight Attendants-Communications Workers of America, which filed for the American passenger service agents

I assume you mean that the AFA/CWA lawyers filed, and the ACH filed a motion to join the AFA/CWA motion. But neither the CWA nor the Ad-hoc Committee represents the agents since there hasn't been an NMB election. The hearing on most of the professionals AA wants to hire hasn't taken place yet. The AHC's motion to join hasn't even been heard yet. So what exactly has the Ad-hoc Committee accomplished so far other than letting the AFA/CWA lawyers file and then try to join the AFA motion? I'm still waiting for where the judge recognized the AHC.

Jim

 

[john john]

I'm still waiting for where the judge recognized the AHC.

Jim

Attorneys for AMR have agreed to meet with the attorneys representing the committee on the committee’s request for documents, and asked for the hearing to be postponed until Feb. 29,
In the hearing Jan. 27, the judge approved the agreement between the committee and AMR for the postponement, as well as the agreement to allow the monthly retainer for Rothschild, Inc. of $200,000 until the challenge can be heard on Feb. 29.
The agents committee filed the objections to the Rothschild payment on Jan. 17, then the next day served a request on AMR to present documents relating to the proposed hiring of the firm. The committee joined the objection of the Association of Professional Flight Attendants objection to AMR’s request to retain Perelia, Weinberg, and SkyWorks, two other financial consulting firms.

 

[john john]

So what exactly has the Ad-hoc Committee accomplished so far other than letting the AFA/CWA lawyers file and then try to join the AFA motion?

Jim

Notably absent from the list of layoffs posted by the company were cuts for agents, reps & planners.

In fact, what was posted distinctly says they're collecting "employee feedback" from those workgroups.

So much for the allegation that the agents have no say, eh?

 

[BoeingBoy]

Attorneys for AMR have agreed to meet with the attorneys representing the committee on the committee’s request for documents, and asked for the hearing to be postponed until Feb. 29,

In other words, the company lawyers are gonna talk to the AFA/CWA's lawyers and the judge said OK...like he has said OK to most everything else AA has asked for. So let me rephrase my question - other than meeting between lawyers producing a lot of hot air what has the Ad-hoc committee accomplished?

And are you really trying to give the Ad-hoc committee credit for the apparent continuing evaluation of agent/reps/planner numbers?

Jim

 

[eolesen]

And are you really trying to give the Ad-hoc committee credit for the apparent continuing evaluation of agent/reps/planner numbers?

Good luck. It's the same process that was followed before the 2003 concessions. When I was still an agent, we had a voice and were consulted thru local and system advisory boards. The system board would meet with the SVP, the local boards would meet with the GM & regional management. Hardly a new concept, and for the most part, it worked without paying dues.

 

[john john]

In other words,

Jim

“In other words” AMR and its attorneys and the bankruptcy judge have not recognized the standing of the committee. And the objection to the financial consultants. And for the request for AMR to present documents relating to the proposed hiring of the firm. As well as the joining of the objection of AMR’s request to retain Perelia, Weinberg, and SkyWorks,
And if all of this was true the voice of the agents fell on deaf ears. The agents hear your biases message.Where did the content of the ‘Term Sheets’ proposed by the company come from? Can and will they be changed if so how. Why the delay in the non-union term sheet

 

[john john]

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[Rogallo]

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[BoeingBoy]

“In other words” AMR and its attorneys and the bankruptcy judge have not recognized the standing of the committee. And the objection to the financial consultants. And for the request for AMR to present documents relating to the proposed hiring of the firm. As well as the joining of the objection of AMR’s request to retain Perelia, Weinberg, and SkyWorks,
And if all of this was true the voice of the agents fell on deaf ears. The agents hear your biases message.Where did the content of the ‘Term Sheets’ proposed by the company come from? Can and will they be changed if so how. Why the delay in the non-union term sheet

I didn't say that AA's attorneys were ignoring the AHC, I asked where the judge addressed the AHC. The AFA-CWA objection to the financial consultants? The AFA-CWA request for documents. (both matching the Trustee's actions)

You're asking where the contents of the term sheets originated? Just look at who put them out - it wasn't the AHC was it?

Who knows, maybe the AHC will be recognized as the legal representative of the agents by the judge. Maybe not since that's the NMB's call. Anyone can file a motion with the court, all it takes is hiring a lawyer (or getting some sucker to hire one for you). But I asked WHAT the AHC had accomplished and your resorting to pointing out what the AFA-CWA and Trustee have accomplished is sufficient answer.

Jim

 

[700UW]

The reason there is no term sheet yet is AA probably hasnt finished it yet, as they can do what they want to the non-union agents and employees and dont have to go through the court, nor the Section 1113c process.

As they are employees at will, and AA can do what they want to them, no negotiations, its take it or leave it.

 

[FWAAA]

Here's what AA has to say about changes to agents' employment terms:

As independent, non-union employees, ARP employees have taken part in the restructuring process by participating in forums held across the system, then sharing feedback, ideas and suggestions through a confidential, online form.

The ARP restructuring plan is still under development as we collect and analyze this feedback. As with the restructuring plans for other employee groups, the ARP plan will take into account many factors which include: staffing based on American’s network and airports; productivity and workflow; customer service needs and how pay and benefits for this group compare to other airlines.

http://www.restructuringamr.com/our-people-agents-reps-planners.asp

Of course, as nonunion employees, AA is permitted to deal with them without the intermediary that the other workgroups require. The same way something like 90% of non-government employees in the USA deal with their employer. Market forces will temper AA's ability to unilaterally slash their wages or working conditions unless AA doesn't care if they resign.

 

[john john]

Here's what AA has to say about changes to agents' employment terms:


http://www.restructuringamr.com/our-people-agents-reps-planners.asp



As independent, non-union employees, ARP employees have taken part in the restructuring process by participating in forums held across the system, then sharing feedback, ideas and suggestions through a confidential, online form.

The ARP restructuring plan is still under development as we collect and analyze this feedback. As with the restructuring plans for other employee groups, the ARP plan will take into account many factors which include: staffing based on American’s network and airports; productivity and workflow; customer service needs and how pay and benefits for this group compare to other airlines.

You left this part out

While the restructuring plan for ARP employees is still being finalized, the universal changes to pension plans, retiree medical and healthcare affect all ARP employees.

Overview of ARP Plans:
Targeted Annual, Permanent Cost Savings: $95 Million (20% of total ARP costs)

 

[eolesen]

Unless FWAAA has edited his response, it doesn't look like you can even correct grammar correctly...

 

[700UW]

They have to deal with the unions first as it takes longer, and what they dont get from the unions, the non-union agents, who the CWA cant do a thing for will make it up, as they are employees at will and will have no say in what AA does, yes they are making them think they do with their survey, but bottom line is AA can and will do whatever they want to the CSAs and Res.