CWA Files for Representation Election

[john john]

You dont understand it do you?

If an employee doesnt open a 401k with US they dont get a match.

A 401k is funded by pre-tax deduction from your own wages out of your paycheck, thereby lowering your take home pay, where as the IAMNPP is not funded by the employee out of their own wages.

No 401k, no company match.

Is this concept to hard for you to understand?

Again you are WRONG!
Participation in the 401k is automatic. The 401k is non-elective contribution by US

So you have IBT on the west and CWA on the East and you have a UPS driver negotiating your CBA.

How smart is that?

IAM had a lav dumper negotiating a contract for mechanics?

Look here

And here

Here Too

and here
http://airlineforums.com/topic/49450-iam-fleet-service-topic/page__st__1336
here too
http://airlineforums.com/topic/52658-fleet-service-apathy/

The IBT in the airline industry has failed.

Voted out of IBT at WN, and allows unlimited outsourcing at UA and CO and WN.

http://cal-ualteamsters.com/sites/cal-ualteamsters.com/files/72111calualdesperatetacticsflierrevised.pdf
IAM Desperation Tactics Disgust Many
http://cal-ualteamsters.com/sites/cal-ualteamsters.com/files/7611calualiamlossesflier.pdf
IAM Has Continually Lost
Benefits For Its Members
http://cal-ualteamsters.com/sites/cal-ualteamsters.com/files/_uploads/story/2011/06/cal-ualiamlosesflier.pdf
IAM loses it 4th major airline election in 8 months
http://www.unitedafa.org/news/details.aspx?id=6303
Association of Flight Attendants wins vote at combined United Continental
http://cal-ualteamsters.com/news/iam-treats-part-time-workers-like-second-class-members
IAM Treats Part-Time Workers Like Second Class Members
http://cal-ualteamsters.com/sites/cal-ualteamsters.com/files/_uploads/story/2011/06/61711calualnoshowflier.pdf
The forum was intended to be a debate between
the Teamsters and the IAM, but representatives from the IAM never showed.

 

[john john]

Who is "American West"?

What is bankrupisty?

Do you mean Bankruptcy?

YEP!
http://web.archive.org/web/20041013063944/http://www.cwa.net/PDFs/ManagementProposal.pdf
Again CWA/IBT USAirways passenger service agents have an industry-leading contract.

 

[xUT]

Again you are WRONG!
Participation in the 401k is automatic. The 401k is non-elective contribution by US


IAM had a lav dumper negotiating a contract for mechanics?


and here
http://airlineforums.com/topic/49450-iam-fleet-service-topic/page__st__1336
here too
http://airlineforums.com/topic/52658-fleet-service-apathy/

http://cal-ualteamsters.com/sites/cal-ualteamsters.com/files/72111calualdesperatetacticsflierrevised.pdf
IAM Desperation Tactics Disgust Many
http://cal-ualteamsters.com/sites/cal-ualteamsters.com/files/7611calualiamlossesflier.pdf
IAM Has Continually Lost
Benefits For Its Members
http://cal-ualteamsters.com/sites/cal-ualteamsters.com/files/_uploads/story/2011/06/cal-ualiamlosesflier.pdf
IAM loses it 4th major airline election in 8 months
http://www.unitedafa.org/news/details.aspx?id=6303
Association of Flight Attendants wins vote at combined United Continental
http://cal-ualteamsters.com/news/iam-treats-part-time-workers-like-second-class-members
IAM Treats Part-Time Workers Like Second Class Members
http://cal-ualteamsters.com/sites/cal-ualteamsters.com/files/_uploads/story/2011/06/61711calualnoshowflier.pdf
The forum was intended to be a debate between
the Teamsters and the IAM, but representatives from the IAM never showed.

Sometimes 700UW gets under my skin but he is absolutely correct that the 401K is not compulsory.
I find your meager attempts at character assassination reprehensible.
B) xUT

 

[john john]

Sometimes 700UW gets under my skin but he is absolutely correct that the 401K is not compulsory.

B) xUT

But is it a pension ?
And can the IAM Defined Benefit Retirement Plan be change without membership vote?

 

[xUT]

But is it a pension?
And can the IAM pension fund be change without membership vote?

It's a DC not a DB, but still considered a pension.
If you have the IAM DB pension, the pension is managed by the IAM, not the membership.
JMHO B) xUT

 

[john john]

It's a DC not a DB, but still considered a pension.
If you have the IAM DB pension, the pension is managed by the IAM, not the membership.
JMHO B) xUT

oh no 700 is going to jump on you

 

[xUT]

oh no 700 is going to jump on you

Wouldn't be the first time...

 

[700UW]

It's a DC not a DB, but still considered a pension.
If you have the IAM DB pension, the pension is managed by the IAM, not the membership.
JMHO B) xUT

Actually it is not managed by the IAM, it has an independent Trustee appointed by the board who is made up of half IAM appointed members and half from the employers in the plan.

It is a separate entity.

 

[700UW]

YEP!
http://web.archive.org/web/20041013063944/http://www.cwa.net/PDFs/ManagementProposal.pdf
Again CWA/IBT USAirways passenger service agents have an industry-leading contract.

Really?

LOL

No pension is not an industry leading contract, permitting Res and Baggage to be outsourced is not leading. And yes I know that is over yet, ask the PIT res agents who are still on the streets?

Go read the IAM CSA CBA at WN, that is industry leading.

 

[700UW]

John John,

What does one's classification have to do with their knowledge?

I have been a shop steward, editor, district rep and on the Negotiating Committee for Mechanic and Related at US, see at US Mechanic and Related is Mechanics, Stock Clerks and Utility.

The difference between Andy Marshall and myself is I worked at US and did the work in two classifications on the property, he did not.

I was also on the CO/IAM Negotiating Committee for the IAM, for the Flight Attendants.

Saved many a job and people from getting in trouble, even won a substantial arbitration case against US.

I have been to the NC AFL-CIO labor school at University of North Carolina at Wilmington and been to every leadership and collective bargaining class at the accredited IAM Education and Technology Center.

I have spent many a night away from home and my son, to help the members.

What have you done?

And once again, what does one's classification have to do with their knowledge, skill level, experience and education?

I was trained by the man who organized the IAM at US and was involved in every cba up until 95 and I was trained by many educated reps at US and UA.


P.S. Thanks for the support xUT

 

[TWU informer]

Does anyone esle see the manipulation in the fact that Agents are soon to be involved in a Representation Election and their cuts have still not been disclosed?

Interesting that AA claims to be "waiting" on their "input" while the rest of us are taken to slaughter.

This management is disgusting at best.

 

[700UW]

A 401(k) is a type of retirement savings account in the United States, which takes its name from subsection 401(k) of the Internal Revenue Code (Title 26 of the United States Code). A contributor can begin to withdraw funds after reaching the age of 59½ years. (See subsection "Withdrawal of funds" below for restrictions before that age.) 401(k)s were first widely adopted as retirement plans for American workers, beginning in the 1980s. The 401(k) emerged as an alternative to the traditional retirement pension, which was paid by employers. Employer contributions with the 401(k) can vary, but in general the 401(k) had the effect of shifting the burden for retirement savings to workers themselves. In 2011, about 60% of American households nearing retirement age have 401(k)-type accounts

 

[john john]

John John,

What does one's classification have to do with their knowledge?

Thank you for making my point
US Airways CWA/IBT Association Bargaining Committee consists of
3 reservation agents
5 airport agents
Teamster Vice President (Principal Officer) aka UPS Delivery driver
Having the support of both the Teamster and CWA during negotiations for the agents a USAirways is a good thing

 

[john john]

A 401(k) is a type of retirement savings account in the United States, which takes its name from subsection 401(k) of the Internal Revenue Code (Title 26 of the United States Code). A contributor can begin to withdraw funds after reaching the age of 59½ years. (See subsection "Withdrawal of funds" below for restrictions before that age.) 401(k)s were first widely adopted as retirement plans for American workers, beginning in the 1980s. The 401(k) emerged as an alternative to the traditional retirement pension, which was paid by employers. Employer contributions with the 401(k) can vary, but in general the 401(k) had the effect of shifting the burden for retirement savings to workers themselves. In 2011, about 60% of American households nearing retirement age have 401(k)-type accounts

Having a define pension –vs- defined contribution plans
Hands down the benefit of a defined benefit pension plan with a monthly pension or a lump sum is better if funded correctly. The liability of the pension lies with the employer who is responsible for making the decisions of the plan. That ship has sail for the seasoned airline workers within the airline industry. Give credit were credit is due to American Airlines unions for continuing to try to kept this great benefit alive.


Defined benefit plans sponsor my the unions may be the way to go if the employee can get in early
http://www.cwa-union.org/pages/cwa_pensions_and_trusts

 

[eolesen]

Does anyone esle see the manipulation in the fact that Agents are soon to be involved in a Representation Election and their cuts have still not been disclosed?

Go over to the terminal and talk to an agent, Dave.... There's little support for a card drive, let alone an election.

Heck, AMP couldn't pull off a card drive with all of the problems facing the mechanics, and I seriously doubt the agents would bother.

Some will say too little too late, but having actually been an agent, aside from a couple of very tiny groups clustered in JFK, MIA, and DFW, the majority of the agents/reps know they've already got a fairly decent deal.

Interesting that AA claims to be "waiting" on their "input" while the rest of us are taken to slaughter.

This management is disgusting at best.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see it's harder to decide what (if any) pain the agents should take, since they've already seen more cuts implemented over the past eight to ten years than were proposed.

They're going to see the same benefit changes you guys did. That's a given.

But there weren't any workrules governing overtime, there wasn't a Baker letter, there wasn't a scope clause, there wasn't an insourcing threshold, caps on part-timers, monthly guarantees, or featherbedding of employees in rocking chair shops...

Simply put, there's no low hanging fruit left to pick. (to use a favorite Boston Consulting Group phrase from the various 1990's restructuring efforts...)

Two of the most senior call centers (CVG & HFD) are gone. Ticket counter staffing is about a third of what it used to be. Gate agent staffing is about half of what it was during the paper ticket days. Baggage service was largely outsourced in the 1990's.

And despite not having scope clauses, AA didn't do what US did to their agents.... They didn't hand over ground handling to Eagle at most of the outstations, they didn't set up outsourced or offshore call centers in Costa Rica, Belize, Uruguay, or wherever they were located.

In fact, AA closed down the international call centers and brought work to the US when telco costs dropped to the point it was a wash to route calls from Europe & South America, and had AA handling Eagle in more stations than Eagle or an outsourcer was handling AA...

I have no doubt that charlatans like john john are still going to claim that they can protect jobs or do a better job of looking out for the agents' interests...

The only interest they are concerned with is bank interest on the prospective dues income.