luvthe9
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Kind of the way AA behaved with Ozark and TWA. B)
Company just picked a side and it wasn't USAPA's
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Not kicking and screaming, just waiting for a ruling from the one that counts, the judge. You have been right about a few things, but so wrong on a lot more that I have pointed out.
So, let's put your crystal ball to the test. How exactly do you think Judge Silver will rule? What will the company do with the ruling? What will USAPA do? What will AOL do? What will it take to put the last piece of the puzzle in place, the ratified contract. When do you think you will finally get to uhaul your ass to CLT?
You have to be kidding me.
fatherabraham
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Can't wait Boo Boo. I'll run for the Starbucks every time and I've got 1st rounds !
If it's IRRELEVENT, then matters not putting it out there as I , CB and many others have done. Hey I promise.....no laughing/snickering /etc in public by me. Hells Bells, I won't even comment, let alone argue the fact. Just grow a pair and toss it out there big guy. Btw, am Phl AB330 FO and no 99 hires come close. If you doubt my honesty, fire me any Q you like PM
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fatherabraham
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Breeze,
Know that for sure? Makes a lot of sense if true. I thought you or someone else put him as divorce Atty Koontz.
I do put him and his FODA pilot very close together.
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lynyrdskynyrd
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The company didn't pick a side at all. They may lay it out like they see it, but they couldn't care less if the Judge green lights usapa or puts the brakes on em. They'll happily hose either side, they just want to be told it's legal to do it
Actually, come to think of it, they already have been. Both and either, either or, however you want to put it.
Actually, come to think of it, they already have been. Both and either, either or, however you want to put it.
cactusboy53
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No, I am not. I would consider you a fool if you did accept it in it's present form. Who would accept the KP proposal (that is ONLY 3% increase for AWA pilots), when our contemporaries (and those that are much smaller air carriers) get anywhere from $150-$186+ for NB pay?? No, Pi. I would have to disagree with you on this. These same carriers are making a profit. Pretty simple math, as far as I am concerned.
USA320Pilot
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US Airways told Judge Silver it believes the Transition Agreement requires the Nicolau Award to be implemented and on Friday the Company told the court it objects to USAPA's request for additional discovery.
US Airways told Judge Silver, "US Airways does, however, believe that there should be an expedited process for resolution of the legal issues presented in those Counts, so that a major obstacle to completing its collective bargaining negotiations with USAPA can be removed."
And, US Airways said, "But discovery regarding post-mergerchanges in the relative career prospects of East and West Pilots is unnecessary unless the Court first decides, as a legal matter, that post-merger career expectations developed during a period when USAPA was actively resisting the Nicolau Award – could justify USAPA’s requirement that a date-of-hire seniority list, rather than the Nicolau Award, be included in any collective bargaining agreement with US Airways."
US Airways has now picked a side (AOL's), the company believes the Transition Agreement requires the Nicolau Award to be implemented, and the company said they "believe that there should be an expedited process for resolution of the legal issues presented in those Counts, so that a major obstacle to completing its collective bargaining negotiations with USAPA can be removed."
It is clear with the AFA TA, PSA AFA TA, and US Airways' position on the DJ case the company is moving forward to close out new contracts. And, I believe US Airways is supporting implementation of the Nicolau Award. With USAPA's legal reputation and success I believe US Airways is now forcing implementation of the Nicolau Award and desires an expedited contract sooner rather than later.
US Airways told Judge Silver, "US Airways does, however, believe that there should be an expedited process for resolution of the legal issues presented in those Counts, so that a major obstacle to completing its collective bargaining negotiations with USAPA can be removed."
And, US Airways said, "But discovery regarding post-mergerchanges in the relative career prospects of East and West Pilots is unnecessary unless the Court first decides, as a legal matter, that post-merger career expectations developed during a period when USAPA was actively resisting the Nicolau Award – could justify USAPA’s requirement that a date-of-hire seniority list, rather than the Nicolau Award, be included in any collective bargaining agreement with US Airways."
US Airways has now picked a side (AOL's), the company believes the Transition Agreement requires the Nicolau Award to be implemented, and the company said they "believe that there should be an expedited process for resolution of the legal issues presented in those Counts, so that a major obstacle to completing its collective bargaining negotiations with USAPA can be removed."
It is clear with the AFA TA, PSA AFA TA, and US Airways' position on the DJ case the company is moving forward to close out new contracts. And, I believe US Airways is supporting implementation of the Nicolau Award. With USAPA's legal reputation and success I believe US Airways is now forcing implementation of the Nicolau Award and desires an expedited contract sooner rather than later.
CB, what is and has been on the table is the Kirby. There have been hundreds of posts on here from westies saying how stupid we have been for not accepting what was on the table years ago, how much money has been lost, blah, blah, bah.
If Move2CLT is a pilot, I am Doug Parker. He is a desk monkey with a lot of time on his hands, playing on these boards instead of doing his work for the company. Just a worthless antagonizer.
I have a very good idea of who Koontz is on this board, but choose not to expose him.
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cactusboy53
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I believe the remarks pertained to testimony that "informally" the company (back in 2007) thought they would have to put up another 7-8% on TOP of the KP. So (2007 $$$, mind you), and assuming that the cap was 11% (on top of the AWA wage, mind you)....the east MEC walked away (and the vote in of USAPA assured starting from SCRATCH) from a NB estimated wage of $158.00 per hour (remember, 2007). That's a $33/hr increase + improved vacation, DH, Mech, etc.
Turning your nose at the KP in it's present form? That makes perfect sense to me.
Stupid to walk away from that possibility (KP & 111% of AWA wage as a starting point in JNC) in 2007, and start from scratch because USAPA said they could deliver an INDUSTRY LEADING CONTRACT WITH DOH in 90 DAYS. Yea, that part is pretty stupid. IMHO.
LCC has benefited HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of dollars by this paper chase.
You have it figured out perfectly. The company will hose one side or the other but they would prefer hosing both sides.
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