Combined Travel Rules

[DFWFSC]

I know the question came up at sometime lately about changing your travel status once you are checked in for a flight--change a D2 to D1 or vice versa.  I knew it was a no-no, but just got this (broadcast, not just to me) email from a mid-level manager at DFW.  Thought some of you might be interested.

"Just wanted to send a reminder regarding non-rev travel on a flight you have already checked in for and then wanting to change to a lower or higher status. If you change your status (i.e., D1 to D2 or D2 to D1), you must cancel your current flight listing and create a new listing for a later flight. Changing status for same/current flight is not an option. Please refer to the Trip book under Pass Classifications and Boarding Priority as indicated below:

“Once you have checked in for a flight, you may not change to a lower or higher priority for that flight (i.e., D1 to D2 or D2 to D1). If you wish to change travel classifications, you must cancel your current flight listing, create a new listing for a later flight and obtain a new check-in time with a change in priority.”
 
(The bolding and italics are mine.)
 
I know that for me it has meant burning one of my D1s to end up on the jumpseat anyway.  And, I don't mean listing as a D1 to assure that I got the jumpseat ahead of another f/a.  I mean listing as a D1 in hope of getting F/C on a long flight.  :angry2: ( )

I see people do it on the Hawaii flights, if they are listed as D2s and it doesn't look like they will get on the first HNL/OGG flight, they will hurry up and cxl their PNR and rebook as D1s for the next HNL/OGG flight.   Im not sure if you cxl your PNR it takes you off the standby list or you have to tell the agent to do it or else they will roll you over as a D2 and your already on there as a D1.

 

[snapthis]

TO: DOUG PARKER CEO

REVERSAL OF IMPENDING NON-REVENUE BOARDING PROCESS OF FIRST COME FIRST SERVE WEB CHECK-IN
SIGN

5,493
of 6,000 signatures
Reverse the proposed boarding process based on web check-in. Reinstitute boarding procedure based on seniority and active employees.
Why is this important?

First come, first serve web check-in eliminates our ability to determine whether a seat is available and to plan our lives accordingly. It will make it extremely difficult for many of us to commute to work.

In 2013, US Airways Flight Attendants signed a new contract. Management committed to not substantially reduce this benefit. Changing the boarding priority from the long-standing Date of Hire to web based check-in First-Come,First-Serve substantially reduces this benefit.

In our 2013 AFA contract, section 26.7.G. states: “A Flight Attendant shall be provided on-line and interline pass benefits in accordance with Company Policy unless otherwise provided for in this Agreement. During the term of this Agreement, the Company shall not modify its pass policy to cap the number of times Flight Attendants, retired Flight Attendants, their spouses, eligible dependents and survivors, may utilize their space available travel privileges, to reduce their relative boarding priority with respect to other employee groups, or to otherwise substantially reduce this underlying benefit."

American Airlines currently has 16 crew bases. USAirways only has 4 crew bases. We have yet to hear of when there will be a merger of the flight crews, but currently, a majority of East USAirways flight attendants commute to work using on-line passes. We rely on this system and it serves us well.

Over the past 25 years, management has closed over a dozen bases. With each closure, the impacted flight crews were faced with three choices: 1. Move their families to a new base 2. Quit their job. 3.Commute to their new base. Given the financial uncertainties over this time period, options one and two are fraught with unmeasured challenges. Commuting has become a part of the USAirways East culture.

The decision to change the policy of non-revenue boarding based on first come, first serve check-in is a violation of our contract. Please review and sign this petition to be presented to management and our union.

https://www.coworker.org/petitions/reversal-of-impending-change-with-non-revenue-boarding

^^^^^^^^^^^^
No thanks

 

[dfw gen]

if anything they are persistant! sign the petition? nope dont think so.

 

[jimntx]

I see people do it on the Hawaii flights, if they are listed as D2s and it doesn't look like they will get on the first HNL/OGG flight, they will hurry up and cxl their PNR and rebook as D1s for the next HNL/OGG flight. Im not sure if you cxl your PNR it takes you off the standby list or you have to tell the agent to do it or else they will roll you over as a D2 and your already on there as a D1.

Yes, cancelling your PNR will erase any mention of you on the standby list or any other flight in the PNR. Trust me. I have had to do it more than once. The first time, I just tried cancelling the PNR in the non-rev travel planner to see what might happen, and it wiped out all the listings in the PNR.

 

[skinvalve]

I signed the petition.

 

[AirLUVer]

90% of those from USAirways will probably sign, maybe 25% from America West will, and probably 10 to 20% of pre-merger AA would.  Overall company wide, the majority would prefer the FCFS system to DOH.

 

[cubs_in_2012]

So... you're listed D1, do not make it on, but the next flight is wide open.  The gate agent has already rolled you over though.  Can you pocket the D1 and list as a D2 at that point?
 
 
“Once you have checked in for a flight, you may not change to a lower or higher priority for that flight (i.e., D1 to D2 or D2 to D1). If you wish to change travel classifications, you must cancel your current flight listing, create a new listing for a later flight and obtain a new check-in time with a change in priority.”

 

[eolesen]

Only if you were rolled over without being asked, which will be impossible to prove either way...

I'd suggest creating the new listing and getting on the priority list *FIRST* or making sure you have a really good agent who knows not to re-list you using the original PNR's record in ACS.

If the agent re-lists you at the lower priority using the original PNR's record in ACS, there's a good chance the old time will be kept, and you'll get nailed for pass abuse.

 

[john john]

there's a good chance the old time will be kept, and you'll get nailed for pass abuse.

All this takes time and ties the agent up and who knows what will the time stamp be

 

[MCI transplant]

Question?----- Does anyone know when this D2R thing will kick in?

 

[MetalMover]

Question?----- Does anyone know when this D2R thing will kick in?

II did some research on the company site.. the plan to align boarding codes was to do so sometime during the summer.

 

[cubs_in_2012]

Hello all -
 
Two flights from city A to city B, AA departs 7pm, US departs 8:30pm,  last flights of the day for both airlines.  (Non-hypothetical situation...!)

Is it a violation to list non-rev on the AA flight and *also* list ZED on the US flight?

 

[john john]

Is it a violation to list non-rev on the AA flight and *also* list ZED on the US flight?

The avid FCFS people say YES! One cannot list on two flights…………….

 

[Black Magic]

On legacy AA flights how much did a first class upgrade cost to say Asia or Europe?

 

[JAFA]

Hello all -
 
Two flights from city A to city B, AA departs 7pm, US departs 8:30pm,  last flights of the day for both airlines.  (Non-hypothetical situation...!)

Is it a violation to list non-rev on the AA flight and *also* list ZED on the US flight?

I coul be worng here, but since at the moment they are still 2 different airlines, owned by the same parent company, I would not see a problem there.  Should be no different than say going to LAS, AA is looking bad, but listed anyway, holding a ZED and listed also on DL and B6 both leaving after AA as back up.  I have done this with no issues from any of the 3 carriers.