Combined Travel Rules

flyer63 said:
Yeah.. two flights leave in minutes of each other... good luck getting that agent to modify listing. What is better for company. Having you get on your way or taking up agent time changing your listing. Its no harm no foul as bus says. Its not like they are holding a chatobriane for you..
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If two flights are leaving within minutes of each other, make a decision. It's no different than having to chose which check-out lane you get in line for at Walmart or when you're waiting for the outhouses at a NASCAR race...

You can claim it takes up agent time to change a listing, but it wastes more of the agents' time when you list for a flight you don't ultimately travel on. Chances are you'll be rolled over to the next flight and take up time for the agents working all the subsequent flights to that destination.

But, hey, what would I know. I just worked as a gate agent in ORD & DFW and had to deal with all those priority lists with 100+ names on them where we'd accommodate D3's on despite 50+ D2's on the list.

And please... if you're going to invoke memories of chateaubriand, at least Google it to see how it is spelled. I can't think any airline that has had chateaubriand in at least 20 years if not longer...
 
Ok.. I'm going to waive the dense flag... You guys are so entrenched in your position. You can't even see the possible problems with it. Make a decision?... Are you kidding me?.

Let me paint the picture for you and others since you can't get it.

flight A leaves at 0800. From let's say BOS to MIA..

Flight B leaves at 0820 from BOS to CLT with a connection to MIA.

Under all the AA people here... You Check in for flight A.... You don't get on...

So you go to the agent who is busy closing out the flight and ask to have your Pnr changed to the CLT flight... She or he says hold on while I close out this flight...

In the meantime.... Flight B leaves while your waiting for your little experiment...

Under the USAir system, you go over to the CLt flight.... Check in and go....

I've been in contact with the travel dept.... They understand the problems with the AA system and are considering multiple listings, but only checking in on one flight...
 
eolesen said:
It's no different than having to chose which check-out lane you get in line for at Walmart or when you're waiting for the outhouses at a NASCAR race...
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What choo tryin to say there, pardner?
 
jimntx said:
Actually I think it works quite well. I'm hearing an awful lot of "if only they had left things the way they were. The system I am used to was perfect." And, I think it is going to continue.But, each of you make yourselves just as miserable as you wish over the changes. NEWSFLASH! They are not going to change back to suit you.Another quote: "Most people are about as happy as they make up their minds to be." --Abraham Lincoln
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There was a similar debate in 2006-07 with HP/US.

The company made a decision: "When making the decision on boarding priority, we looked at the fact that 20,000 of our employees worked for years in a seniority-based system. It just didnt seem right to simply take that away. "

It looks like they went with a similar methodology. Adopt the policy of the larger employee group.

Screen name, Fly with US had some advice years ago. Shoe is on the other foot in 2014.
"Come on guys, I can't believe we are agruing about a long-accepted thing, which is seniority. You do know that the earth does not evolve around you, so there will be times when you don't get a seat. Non-reving happens to be that way. There was/is no guarantee that there is a seat for you. Tough luck, life sucks; complain and get on with your life. "


The debate in 2006...

traderjake, on Mar 7 2006, 05:44 PM, said:
The senior employee makes more money and works a better schedule. Why should he be the only one who gets to commute or go on vacation?

First come, first serve gives everyone an equal chance of getting to work or Grandma's house.

The pilot's at US East reserve the jumpseat 7 days in advance on a first come, first serve basis. I would like a system where the non rev list is determined by the order that people list themselves online 2 or 7 days before the flight.

rjh
Posted 07 March 2006 - 08:09 PM
Agreed 100%. Flight benefits are just that: a BENEFIT. Senior employees don't get better medical, dental or vision coverage .why should they get a better chance to get on flights? They already get higher pay, more vacation, and a better choice of schedules. The better choice of schedules also gives many of the senior people long stretches of days off (in addition to vacation)--that gives them more opportunities to travel than junior people.

And the commuter excuse is the worst reason to go with seniority. Commuters made the CHOICE to be commuters. Yes, I know all the arguments: they did not choose to change bases and all that. But . they DID choose to stay in their current city and they DID choose to commute to their base. They could have moved or quit. In addition, most commuters are pilots or FA's, and they have an advantage most employees don't: access to jumpseats. Also, pilots (and maybe FA's, but I'm not sure) can also jumpseat for free on many other airlines. Other employees have to pay fees to travel on other airlines. In short: most (notice I did not say all) commuters have more options available to them.

Someone else said that using seniority helps plan better. How? When using first come/first serve, you plan your flights based on how many employees are already listed on the flight. If there are more non-revs than seats available--you know you need to check in early.

With senioirity--you would have to pull up the PNR for every employee, type in their badge # into DRS, determine their seniority date, and then compare their seniority to everyone else on the list.


fly with US
Posted 07 March 2006 - 09:06 PM
Don't be ridiculous guys, seniority is the *only* fair way. They have *earned* it. Somebody mentioned why should the senior worker get to go on vacation while the other doesn't? Well, because they *earned* it. They have been there longer, so they should have more benefits. Just like all the companies who reward more vacation days to the senior employees.

Imagine this, what if a person (person A) who has been working for US for 20 years is commuting to his job, while another person (person is a part-time, 1-year Joe Blow visiting his grandma. Person A is flying on flight A, while person B is flying on flight B. They both check in for their flight 12 hours before, so they are set. However, flight A is cancelled so person A has to fly on flight B. Why should person B have more rights to the seat?

For the most part, it seems that it is US and HP employees fighting against each other. Why don't you see US people arguing about not getting a seat on a flight to a senior person? Because they realize that that is a benefit with seniority. You HP guys are just freaking out because you think all the US employees will be senior to you. Don't worry, there will be a day (most likely soon) when you can bump off the newbies. I bet you won't be complaining then.

Seniority, way it may not seem fair at times, it the *only* fair way. Besides, for much of the years to come, a lot HP employees will stick to the West side, while US employees will stick to the East side, so that way, you won't have an unfair seniority issue here.

Come on guys, I can't believe we are agruing about a long-accepted thing, which is seniority. You do know that the earth does not evolve around you, so there will be times when you don't get a seat. Non-reving happens to be that way. There was/is no guarantee that there is a seat for you. Tough luck, life sucks; complain and get on with your life.

Company decision in 2007:

Q. This seems to heavily favor the seniority system of the East.
A. This is a seniority based boarding process, which is what the East had. When making the decision on boarding priority, we looked at the fact that 20,000 of our employees worked for years in a seniority-based system. It just didnt seem right to simply take that away. So we struck a balance, although its clear that seniority is the main determinant. It was important to recognize that the East operation is heavily supported by commuters, and commuters can travel for work easier on a seniority based system.
 
Rogallo said:
What choo tryin to say there, pardner?
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It's simple. You get one place in line for just about anything in everyday life...

When you check out at Walmart... do you get to hold places in two checkout lanes, and hedge your bets on which will be faster? No.

When you gotta go, and you're standing in line for the outhouses at a NASCAR event, do you get to hold places in two lines, or do you just pick a line and pray that it moves faster than your bodily functions decide to?...

When you're sitting in traffic on the interstate, you pick one lane, and hope that you didn't pick the one with the slowest drivers...

When non-revving, chose wisely. If you think there's no chance of getting on the nonstop, be proactive and go to the second flight's gate and ask them to transfer you over. It doesn't have to be done by the agents working the first flight you're listed for.

Holding two places in line is in my opinion a really good example of the entitlement mentality some people have.
 
Not two places in line.

Listing and actually checking in are two separate things. And dont give me the IT cant handle it...
 
Sounds like a not very progressive company then. Just trying to point out some of the issues and you guys want to defend the mother ship. Apple you are not.
 
jimntx said:
But, each of you make yourselves just as miserable as you wish over the changes. NEWSFLASH! They are not going to change back to suit you.
 
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Yes.  And soon we will see Parker in a pinstripe suit and tie at the Town Hall and Crew News meetings.
 
I'm not particularly a Parker cheerleader, but he does have his good points.  He is often responsive to opportunity to eliminate nonsense.  Like this policy on multiple bookings being deserving of capital punishment.
 
Standby. Parker is not Crandall.  (Even THAT is a double-edge sword, but in this case wisdom, rather than obsolete rules, may prevail.)
 
eolesen said:
It's simple. You get one place in line for just about anything in everyday life...

 
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Well...not when one considers how that line is processed.  (And I am  answering your quote, not the much more complicated "listing" and check-in" procedures at the airline.)
 
It's a McDonald's vs. Burger King thing.  At McDonald's (and, I guess Walmart....I never set foot in the place myself) you get in a line for one cashier, and if the cashier is clueless (how could that happen, right) of the customer in front of you places a huge order, you lose out while people coming in behind you get served earlier on another line.
 
At Burger King (and most other places like banks, postoffice, etc), though, everyone gets in one queue and gets waited on in turn.  Most people think the BK system is much fairer, since a needy "roadblock" customer does not slow down the line appreciably.
 
Multiple listings, but one check-in.  It's coming.  Bet on it.
 
nycbusdriver said:
At Burger King (and most other places like banks, postoffice, etc), though, everyone gets in one queue and gets waited on in turn.  Most people think the BK system is much fairer, since a needy "roadblock" customer does not slow down the line appreciably.
 
Multiple listings, but one check-in.  It's coming.  Bet on it.
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By all measures, going with a uni-queue is the best way to go for fast food and retail, yet McDonalds remains stubborn.... Fry's Electronics, Best Buy and Marshalls use it for retail, and Kohls uses it during the holidays. It works well for them, and the first list of retailers have gone to great lengths to line the queue area with impulse buys (which in turn offsets losing some floorspace to the queueing area).

As for what's coming at AA... I'd place my bets on Jetnet being updated to allow transferring yourself to an alternate flight on your smartphone without bothering an agent.
 
eolesen said:
There is no e-ticket to reassociate with company nonrevs.

I doubt Maya will allow Parker to start messing with Sabre, since it isn't AA's exclusive domain to mess with...
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Highly possible Parker will take native entries away and replace with an overlay with limited functions tying the hands of the agents.This all happen last merger
 
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