Combined Travel Rules

[ChrisUS]

I've been watching the videos of Parker'semployee meetings, and the subject of retiree travel keeps coming up.  He gives the same excuse as always about why the retirees now come behind active employees.  It is not a matter of fairness, per se, since he acknowledges that retirees have spent decades expecting one thing, then get it taken away.  He simply says a decision had to be made one way or the other, and he made it.  Given the huge number of retirees of the combined airline, it kind of makes sense, and it's still kind of unfair.
 
How about this compromise which should be fairly easy to institute:  For retirees who stay until at least 65 AND have at least 35 years of service (basically giving their entire professional life to AA or its merger partners), why not let them in the same queue as the active employees?  (For pilots who previously had to retire by law at 60, give them a bonus 5 years in both calculations if they stayed until 60.)   
 
Bottom line:  It really isn't fair to spend your entire life working for one company with the promise of this perk, only to be bumped out of line by an arbitrary decision.

They keep saying how many retirees there are from the combined company. I'll agree there probably are quite a few. I'd also really love to hear how MANY of those retirees actually travel and with what frequency.  Most of the ones I know, don't very often. When they do, it's something of importance for them, not just a lark. 

 

[john john]

I thought employees were to receive additional D-1's on the AA side?? Is this coming up??
Thanks

The retirees will get more to please them

 

[MetalMover]

The retirees will get more to please them

Let them, they will still be watching my backside as I board the aircraft before them.

 

[MCI transplant]

Let them, they will still be watching my backside as I board the aircraft before them.

MetalWhoever----- You should show a little respect! Most retirees were moving metal when you were still peeing in your dippers!

 

[john john]

Let them, they will still be watching my backside as I board the aircraft before them.

Not if their D1 and time watch the 24hr check-in before you

 

[MetalMover]

Not if their D1 and time watch the 24hr check-in before you

Not if I'm using a D1 and check in before them.

 

[MetalMover]

MetalWhoever----- You should show a little respect! Most retirees were moving metal when you were still peeing in your dippers!

And you know how old I am how? If this statement were true,when I was peeing in my DIPPERS,  the youngest retiree would be in his 80s and would probably not give a rat's arse about how many D1's he has.
Just because i am not retired yet from this company, does NOT mean I am NOT old enough to do so.

 

[MCI transplant]

You know something Metal, I don't give a damn how old you are! Not showing a little respect for those who went before you, and built the airline you work for, just shows how ignorant you really are!

 

[jimntx]

MCI, if every predecessor employee had done his/her very best to make the airline the very best, your argument might hold some water. However, as someone who is over 60 but new to AA (relatively speaking), I work with (and have worked with) senior employees whose only accomplishment in their many years with AA is that they didn't quit and they didn't die. I don't think that is deserving of any recognition whatsoever--especially when it comes to granted benefits like non-rev travel.

I just flew with a 20+ year flight attendant whose approach to the service is strictly get it done as fast as possible so that she can go sit on the jumpseat and play Angry Birds for the rest of the flight. And, when she came up to First Class to "help" me, she brought that same attitude with her. I had a F/C full of revenue passengers and military upgrades. They all deserved some special attention. They didn't get it from her.

Don't tell me that just because she's paid her union dues over the years, she deserves to get on the airplane ahead of any one else.

 

[dfw gen]

MCI, if every predecessor employee had done his/her very best to make the airline the very best, your argument might hold some water. However, as someone who is over 60 but new to AA (relatively speaking), I work with (and have worked with) senior employees whose only accomplishment in their many years with AA is that they didn't quit and they didn't die. I don't think that is deserving of any recognition whatsoever--especially when it comes to granted benefits like non-rev travel.

I just flew with a 20+ year flight attendant whose approach to the service is strictly get it done as fast as possible so that she can go sit on the jumpseat and play Angry Birds for the rest of the flight. And, when she came up to First Class to "help" me, she brought that same attitude with her. I had a F/C full of revenue passengers and military upgrades. They all deserved some special attention. They didn't get it from her.

Don't tell me that just because she's paid her union dues over the years, she deserves to get on the airplane ahead of any one else.

gotta love the entitlement...

 

[Rogallo]

Yep, I experience every day the attitudes that we're built years before me!

 

[john john]

Not if I'm using a D1 and check in before them.

YEP it's all about who checks-in before who. It is a crapshoot. The retirees might have a better chance because they have more time on their hands to watch the clock
Any body hear of the app that checks you in
precisely 24 hr prior???????

 

[MetalMover]

You know something Metal, I don't give a damn how old you are! Not showing a little respect for those who went before you, and built the airline you work for, just shows how ignorant you really are!

You know something MCI......I don't give a damn about respect...IF YOU WANT RESPECT, YOU SHOULD HAVE NEVER HIRED INTO THE AIRLINE INDUSTRY!
You think you have the lock because you are retired and probably are somewhat older than me.  Think again. You want me to have respect for certain retirees who have voted in every POS contract that diminished the value and importance of the aircraft mechanic? You know the type, MCI....?  The "I GOT MINE" crowd? You want me to have respect for those certain retirees who lived by the code "SCREW THE NEW GUY, GIVE HIM ALL THE CRAP WORK BECAUSE HE'S JUNIOR?  I am in this business a very long time and I have never believed in SCREWING THE NEW GUY! You want me to respect your brethren at MCI and my brethren at TUL who have voted in every POS contract that may have favored them in one way or another or simply because of false promises on preserving work at those bases?
You want me to respect those guys, MCI?
Sorry, MCI....But if it is ok for those guys to say "SCREW EVERYONE ELSE, I GOT MINE!", then it is more than ok for those of us who are still working and living under these current conditions to say "SCREW THE RETIREES, I WANT MINE!"
BTW, I think the only respect you are speaking of is with respect to the former TWA retirees, of which you are one.

 

[john john]

What is up with the positive space commuter coupons available to crewmembers only?

 

[AANOTOK]

What is up with the positive space commuter coupons available to crewmembers only?

Maybe it's a new "app"