bob@las-AA
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Then you can be the one to test you theory. Two FSC in my city were fired for this very thing. But please dont let me stop you.flyer63 said:
Combined Travel Rules
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flyer63 said:
The quote below is from the AA Trip Book. It does not state what penalties or punishment will occur if you violate the trip book policy.
"If you change flight plans, your original flight listing must be changed or canceled. Do not list for multiple flights on the same routes as it can result in additional meal/beverage catering".
nycbusdriver
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Slopoke said:
Catering? If it has not already happened, domestic coach will be "buy on board" in short order making that argument for coach moot.
This is now, after all, the New American Worst Airline (AWA) and the Kettles don't mind springing a few bucks for those Pringles, which they dearly love.
jimntx
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Regarding changing D2 to D1 after check-in on D2 listing. BIG no-no. How do I know? I did it, not knowing it was against the rules. The agent told me that there is an audit trail from the time you check-in until the listing is used or becomes obsolete (you check-in, but then you don't show up at the gate, and the flight leaves without you.) What I did was check-in 24 hours in advance for my D2 listing; saw that the flight was filling up because of a cancellation; cancelled the D2 listing; relisted and checked in as a D1. Got caught. Agent I knew was working the flight. She told me that what I had done was against the rules and people had been terminated for doing similar/same. I let her cancel the D1 listing, and I went home relisted and went the next day. I later checked if what agent had told me was correct. It is.
Black Magic
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Pretty lame...at US you can change from sa3p to sa1p at any time with no issues. Its the same as changing from d2 to d1 but I guess thats a no no at American.jimntx said:
Terminate or suspend your flight privileges, maybe, but terminated? Doubt that would hold in arbitration, what's the harm to the company? The charge is the same and you are using what you are entitled to. I've seen them go after people for pass abuse but I've never heard of that.
nycbusdriver
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Bob Owens said:
Maybe the Sky N...s actually do that crap.
They didn't get earn that nickname for nothing.
eolesen
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When I was still working with non-rev procedures 20 years ago, we had a pass abuse committee which would meet to review offenses and complaints. Back then, to get fired over pass privileges, you really had to be flagrant in your offense (e.g. selling D3's) or already on a performance step for something else (i.e. second advisory or career decision).
jimntx
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No, once you have checked in as a D2, you can not re-list as a D1 to bump off someone else who got on the D2 list ahead of you--which is exactly what it would do if it came down to you or that other person. Fortunately, it doesn't matter whether you think it's ridiculous or not. In the new AA you will be expected to follow the rules whether you like them or not. Just like all these passengers who want to announce to you that they think this FAR or that one is stupid. I just point out to them that perhaps they should contact the FAA and let them know their feelings. In the meantime, it's the law. One guy was determined to get me to give in about his bag in the floor in the bulkhead row by announcing over and over that it was a stupid rule. I pointed out that the speedometer on my BMW says I can go 160 miles per hour, but the state of Texas takes an entirely different view of the subject.
All of us have adjustments to make in the new AA--some more drastic than others. Sitting around talking about how much better it used to be is a waste of time and redefines non-productive for our generation. As the poet Robert Burns wrote, "The saddest words known to men are those that say it might have been."
bob@las-AA
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Yep, I can almost predict the future. I see a lot of US peeps getting their wings clipped because they think they can outsmart the system.
nycbusdriver
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jimntx said:
Find a better quote. This one does not apply here, because it's not something that "might have been." It IS right now, and we are about to lose it (maybe). Maybe a quote about "the good old days" would be more appropriate.
Parker may yet revisit this particular "regulation." I am not talking about FCFS, but "getting fired" for making multiple listings that have no effect on anything other than a miniscule amount of computer memory and bandwidth.
Yeah.. two flights leave in minutes of each other... good luck getting that agent to modify listing. What is better for company. Having you get on your way or taking up agent time changing your listing. Its no harm no foul as bus says. Its not like they are holding a chatobriane for you..
jimntx
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Actually I think it works quite well. I'm hearing an awful lot of "if only they had left things the way they were. The system I am used to was perfect." And, I think it is going to continue.
But, each of you make yourselves just as miserable as you wish over the changes. NEWSFLASH! They are not going to change back to suit you.
Another quote: "Most people are about as happy as they make up their minds to be." --Abraham Lincoln
