CLT to GIG supposed to be announced today

[FutureUScapt]

My understanding is GRU will not take any new entrants until there are improvements done with the airport, which aren't planned for any time soon. Soooo no new flights.

That's correct. However, the way I read the US-Brazil bilateral, if US is awarded the October frequencies, US could in the future swap out GIG for GRU when/if the "regulatory constraints" at Guarulhous are removed.

Also, If US was so serious about flying to Brazil, they would have had the application in on time when the window was open. Brazil is one of the harder countries in the world to get right to fly into. Not only are the number flights limited, but so are the number of airlines.

US' application is dated the 27th of Jan, within the window set forth by the DOT. Your point?

 

[Crzipilot]

I believe that the 27th Jan window was an extension the DOT put in, somewhat at the urging of US......I think. Didn't follow all of it, but I think that was CO's argument against it.

 

[US AIRWAYS FAN]

There are hundreds of pilots based in CLT that are currently flying the 757 and 767. None of them are transoceanic qualified, and that's why PHL pilots will fly CLT-CDG.

I'm not sure if South America requires the transoceanic school, or not, since the route will not cross any ocean.

What does a 757 have to do with any of this? Correct me if I am wrong but a captain who flies a 757 can't fly the 767. I thought a captain can only fly one type of bird at a time.

 

[GuntherA320]

What does a 757 have to do with any of this? Correct me if I am wrong but a captain who flies a 757 can't fly the 767. I thought a captain can only fly one type of bird at a time.

757 has everything to do with this US AIRWAYS FAN. 757/767 is a common type rating, meaning if you are typed in a 757 you are typed in a 767. Just like if you are typed in an Airbus 319, you can fly the 320 or the 321. We had an aircraft swap to STT last week. It was a 767 instead of a 757. No change of crew. So consider yourself corrected.

 

[YVINTERN]

757 has everything to do with this US AIRWAYS FAN. 757/767 is a common type rating, meaning if you are typed in a 757 you are typed in a 767. Just like if you are typed in an Airbus 319, you can fly the 320 or the 321. We had an aircraft swap to STT last week. It was a 767 instead of a 757. No change of crew. So consider yourself corrected.

The 757 East (Non-ETOPS) Holds 193 Pax while the 767 holds 197 Passengers, so no additional FA was needed.

 

[nycbusdriver]

What does a 757 have to do with any of this? Correct me if I am wrong but a captain who flies a 757 can't fly the 767. I thought a captain can only fly one type of bird at a time.

You're wrong, Intern. Please stand corrected.

 

[jimntx]

There are hundreds of pilots based in CLT that are currently flying the 757 and 767. None of them are transoceanic qualified, and that's why PHL pilots will fly CLT-CDG.

I'm not sure if South America requires the transoceanic school, or not, since the route will not cross any ocean.

Wow! Did the Caribbean dry up? That's going to put a serious crimp in the Miami cruise ship business!

I may be wrong, and probably am, but it was my understanding that flights to South America were considered overwater/offshore flying because most of the airports on the Caribbean islands were too small to take large widebody a/c landings; so, you couldn't say that the a/c was less than the maximum miles offshore.

 

[US Oringinal]

And if Tempe handles this in it's typical "brain-trust" style, they will be posting positions for Spanish LODO's for this flight very soon!!

(Last summer it was rumored that we had too many French LODO's and not enough Italian LODO's because someone "out there" thought Venice was a city in the south of France<sigh>!!)

 

[BMIBABYgirl737]

They will need more Portugese LODOS. Brazil is Portugese speaking.

 

[Whatnow?]

The 757 East (Non-ETOPS) Holds 193 Pax while the 767 holds 197 Passengers, so no additional FA was needed.

Actually, that is incorrect. Both 757's, ETOPS and NON hold less than 200 passengers so the minimum F/A staffing is 4. The 767's hold 204 passengers and the minimum staffing for this A/C is 5 F/A's.....so whenever that change is made from 757 to 767 another F/A is added to the crew for that specific flight(s). For every 50 PAX=1 F/A.

 

[US Oringinal]

They will need more Portugese LODOS. Brazil is Portugese speaking.

THAT WAS A JOKE....c'mon now....really!!!!

 

[FWAAA]

I understand they will originate in PHL, or at least the flight # will, to attain more credibility (PHL-CLT-GIG). Wouldn't surprise me if they are doing CLT-GIG in order to use the 767-200s versus 2 of the new 332s. The 767s would need severe restrictions nonstop from PHL.

"Severe restrictions?" I've read before that US' 762s don't have the legs that other airlines' 762s have, but I'm skeptical. Are the US 762ERs really that range-hobbled?

AA runs 763ERs on similar length routes without severe weight restrictions and 763ERs have less range than 762ERs. Boeing's own site discloses that from GIG, with full passenger payload, 762ERs can traverse almost the entire continental US, and NYC, PHL and CLT are on the eastern edge of that:

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/767family/pf/pf_rc_rio.html

While you may be correct, US' Brazil application betrays your claims; US forecasts carrying 9,498 pounds of westbound cargo in the winter and 11,413 pounds in the summer. No doubt that 762ERs can carry more cargo than that with full pax load on shorter routes, but that doesn't sound like severe weight restrictions. YMMV.

 

[sharktooth]

"Severe restrictions?" I've read before that US' 762s don't have the legs that other airlines' 762s have, but I'm skeptical. Are the US 762ERs really that range-hobbled?

Just for starters:
USA762 MTOW ~351,000 lbs.
B762ER MTOW ~392,000 lbs.

No "ERs" that I know of.

 

[BMIBABYgirl737]

Oops, USOrig. I just re-read your post....I GET IT!

 

[YVINTERN]

You're wrong, Intern. Please stand corrected.

Wrong about the Aircraft Configuration Numbers?

Actually, that is incorrect. Both 757's, ETOPS and NON hold less than 200 passengers so the minimum F/A staffing is 4. The 767's hold 204 passengers and the minimum staffing for this A/C is 5 F/A's.....so whenever that change is made from 757 to 767 another F/A is added to the crew for that specific flight(s). For every 50 PAX=1 F/A.

I'm showing...according to US Airways
Boeing 757-200
Capacity: 176 - 193 seats
(8 -14 First/164 - 185 Coach)

So a 757 would need a minimum complement of 4 FAs

Boeing 767-200ER
Capacity: 204 seats
(18 Envoy, 186 Coach)

DoH...I didn't take into account for blocked seats used for Crew Rest...My bad...This goes to show that you can't also trust reliable sources since I was told the 767 held 197 due to Crew Rest on TATL.