City of Dallas tells Delta it can no longer fly out of Love Field

[swamt]

Now for the record, the only gate space that Delta can be awarded is the use of one of United's gates. 
The fact that United doesn't appear to be scheduling a full slate of flights from them, and WN is only subleasing one for overflow (not scheduled flights), may help Delta in a court battle.
That could be solved by United increasing their number of flights before any court case can be settled.
The Wright Amendment Reform Act of 2006, and the Scarce Resource Provision of their existing leases gives them the protection.
 
But WNs 16 gates and flight schedule will not be affected by anything Delta tries to achieve in court.
All the claims made by WT that WN will have to reduce their schedule or live with less than 16 gates are protected in the Wright Amendment Reform Act of 2006.

Yupper.  I have been trying to tell him this.  He just does not comprehend.  Pls carry on as I am growing very tired of him, as we all are...

 

[WorldTraveler]

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2014/10/capacity-at-dallas-love-field-will-increase-151-percent-by-mid-january.html/
 
 
 
 
Capacity (ASMS)
Now
Mid-January
Change
Southwest Airlines
11,697,400
25,316,148
116%
Virgin America
-
5,019,480
NA
United Express
134,352
259,200
93%
SeaPort Airlines
8,460
8,460
0%
Delta Air Lines
359,000
-
-100%
Total
12,199,212
30,603,288
151%

you really can't grasp how hypocritical it is that WN whined for years about its access to DCA and LGA despite the fact that all they had to do was spend some money and yet they gloat over the fact that one of the largest airports in the US is NOT OPEN to any more than 3 carriers.

Don't get too comfortable; it won't last.

 

[WNMECH]

you really can't grasp how hypocritical it is that WN whined for years about its access to DCA and LGA despite the fact that all they had to do was spend some money and yet they gloat over the fact that one of the largest airports in the US is NOT OPEN to any more than 3 carriers.Don't get too comfortable; it won't last.

An airport capped at 20 gates by Federal Law is one of largest in the US?
What standard are you using? Square footage?
Size of airports are usually measured by number of flights, number of gates, traffic and so forth aren't they?

 

[WorldTraveler]

sorry but quit fixating on the size of the building.

There isn't a measure in the industry that includes the size of the building but rather operations, seats, passengers handled.

On that measure, DAL will be among the top tier of airports in the US.

The idea that DAL and WN can hide behind a 20 gate limit to restrict the operation to 3 carriers with WN having 80% of them is beyond delusional.

 

[WNMECH]

sorry but quit fixating on the size of the building.There isn't a measure in the industry that includes the size of the building but rather operations, seats, passengers handled.On that measure, DAL will be among the top tier of airports in the US.The idea that DAL and WN can hide behind a 20 gate limit to restrict the operation to 3 carriers with WN having 80% of them is beyond delusional.

I am not fixated on the building. I asked how you were measuring Love Field as one of the largest airports in the US.

Second,
I guess all the people who worked on the five party agreement and approved it were beyond delusional.
http://www.dallas-lovefield.com/pdf/dal_ResolveWrightAmendment.pdf

The Wright Amendment Reform Act was approved by unanimous consent in the US Senate, passed 386/22 in the US House and signed by President Bush, all without changes.
They were all clearly delusional.

Here's a tip.
When you look around the room and think everyone is delusional,
It's you.

 

[WorldTraveler]

No, you are delusional if you think the 30th busiest airport in the US will remain open to only 3 jet carriers who control all of the real estate.

That's right. DAL, based on currently published schedules, comes out as having more seats than HOU and just under PDX and not far behind TPA.

You are beyond delusional if you think there will be lawmakers in the US who will accept that the 30th busiest airport in the US will be occupied by only 3 carriers, you are the one that is beyond delusional.

 

[eolesen]

Clearly, a theologian from Georgia is far more qualified to interpret aviation law and lease terms than the legal staff of the City of Dallas, Southwest Airlines, and United Airlines.

 

[WorldTraveler]

It doesn't take a great deal of common sense - and that commodity is clearly lacking here - let alone any advanced degrees to think that DL and legislators around the country will buy into the notion that the 30th largest airport in the US should be able to accommodate only 3 jet carriers and one of them should be allowed to have 80% of the gates.

Even the 5 party agreement acknowledges that DAL will comply with federal laws regarding common use gates.

Given that DAL is one of the very few airports that have them - let alone in the top 50 - it is VERY likely that the easiest step will be to require that DAL have common use gates in order to continue to receive federal funding.

And as much as you would like to think that a collection of lawyers from DAL, UA, WN, and VX are capable of being impartial on the subject, that is why we have judges.

If DL really thinks it has a case and it doesn't, it won't take long before they are told so.

I said a long time ago and I will say again that DL knew what it was getting into and continues to persist because it believes it is capable of breaking the stranglehood among airlines that has existed in N. Texas.

 

[WNMECH]

It doesn't take a great deal of common sense - and that commodity is clearly lacking here - let alone any advanced degrees to think that DL and legislators around the country will buy into the notion that the 30th largest airport in the US should be able to accommodate only 3 jet carriers and one of them should be allowed to have 80% of the gates.Even the 5 party agreement acknowledges that DAL will comply with federal laws regarding common use gates.Given that DAL is one of the very few airports that have them - let alone in the top 50 - it is VERY likely that the easiest step will be to require that DAL have common use gates in order to continue to receive federal funding.And as much as you would like to think that a collection of lawyers from DAL, UA, WN, and VX are capable of being impartial on the subject, that is why we have judges.If DL really thinks it has a case and it doesn't, it won't take long before they are told so.I said a long time ago and I will say again that DL knew what it was getting into and continues to persist because it believes it is capable of breaking the stranglehood among airlines that has existed in N. Texas.

1. The Wright Amendment Reform Act was debated and passed.
The lawmakers knew what they were voting for.

2. The Law I posted for you over and over, clearly states that federal funds can not be withheld from Love because of its provisions.

But if you could read, you would have seen that.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

1. The Wright Amendment Reform Act was debated and passed.
The lawmakers knew what they were voting for.
2. The Law I posted for you over and over, clearly states that federal funds can not be withheld from Love because of its provisions.
But if you could read, you would have seen that.

I am sure one of the top things on federal lawmakers minds now and after the mid-term elections is to open, debate, and change the the rules of the 30th busiest airport.

There are not many other issues more important to the constituents than the DAL lease/tenant issue.

Now who is delusional?

 

[Kev3188]

Delta gets to stay through the end of the year...
 
http://cityhallblog.dallasnews.com/2014/10/delta-air-lines-will-be-able-to-remain-at-dallas-love-field-through-the-end-of-the-year.html/
 

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Nice of SWA to throw DL a bone and let them use one gate until January.

I hope they can all work out a solution that is best for the pax.

"We have let Delta know that we are willing to potentially accommodate them on a portion of a gate through January 6, 2015, in order to avoid inconveniencing passengers booked on Delta flights from Love Field during that time, Southwest vice president and general counsel Mark Shaw said Wednesday evening. Our discussions with Delta are ongoing. Any accommodation is subject to agreement between Southwest and Delta covering reasonable terms and conditions. We hope and expect to conclude these discussions quickly."

 

[WNMECH]

Nice of SWA to throw DL a bone and let them use one gate until January.
I hope they can all work out a solution that is best for the pax.
"We have let Delta know that we are willing to potentially accommodate them on a portion of a gate through January 6, 2015, in order to avoid inconveniencing passengers booked on Delta flights from Love Field during that time, Southwest vice president and general counsel Mark Shaw said Wednesday evening. Our discussions with Delta are ongoing. Any accommodation is subject to agreement between Southwest and Delta covering reasonable terms and conditions. We hope and expect to conclude these discussions quickly."

WN is just taking care of those passengers now because they will soon be Southwest customers.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

WN is just taking care of those passengers now because they will soon be Southwest customers.

Nothing but sharin' the LUV...

 

[Kev3188]

WN is just taking care of those passengers now because they will soon be Southwest customers.

 
 

Nothing but sharin' the LUV...

 
Lol.