City of Dallas tells Delta it can no longer fly out of Love Field

[robbedagain]

U can assure us DL will win just the same way u assured us they would file suit then file legal challenges etc yea we have heard it before

 

[WorldTraveler]

Wrong,
The exemptions are listed there.
You read it.
 
Go ahead and paste the parts that you think support your case, and I will paste the exemptions.

there is NOTHING that exempts DAL from abiding by the same requirements for airport access that every other airport in the US has to meet.

tell me what flights WN will cancel when they are forced to accommodate DL?

 

[WNMECH]

there is NOTHING that exempts DAL from abiding by the same requirements for airport access that every other airport in the US has to meet.

tell me what flights WN will cancel when they are forced to accommodate DL?

 Wrong.
The exemptions are clearly written into this Federal Law.
 
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-109publ352/pdf/PLAW-109publ352.pdf
 
I am starting to believe you really cant read.
 
Second, WN wont have to cancel any flights if Delta gets to fly from United's gate.
As SWAMT has already posted, WN is only using subleased space from United for overflow.
 
http://blogs.star-telegram.com/sky_talk/2014/10/southwest-ceo-says-it-will-use-united-gates-at-love-field-for-overflow.html
 
Your reading comprehension is really slipping when you cant even read this article.
Of course you do more bloviating than reading don't you?

 

[WorldTraveler]

feel free to characterize me as the one who can't read.

there is no reason for us to argue the point. We're not deciding it.

If WN thinks the way you do, it is no reason why the case will end up in court, which is what I said was likely all along - despite the fact that some people thought I was wrong.

As much as you want to believe otherwise, the document you cite SPECIFICALLY says that DAL cannot waive its obligations to comply with federal airport access laws.

If WN intends to use WN's gates even on an overflow basis, they are running the risk of having to pull down their schedules or weaken their operational reliability when the wheels fall off and WN needs gates.

how about you wait til it goes to court which is where I believe it will end up?

IS WN or DAL hiring you as part of their defense? If so, the case will be thru in about 5 minutes and you will be doing the Texas two step back to your toolbox.

 

[yoyodyne]

Really, 17 pages dedicated to this topic?  I for one, am glad that we won't be flying into the capital of Teahadistan.

 

[blue collar]

He's back to saying it WILL end up in court. And then if it doesn't, he'll say that he never said it would, but that it was 'likely'. Pay him no mind, he doesn't seem to have a firm grasp on anything.

 

[WNMECH]

feel free to characterize me as the one who can't read.



As much as you want to believe otherwise, the document you cite SPECIFICALLY says that DAL cannot waive its obligations to comply with federal airport access laws.

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Wrong again.  The paragragh that you cite is Paragraph (1)(E).
But Paragraph (2) gives the exception to PARA (1)(E).
 
 
 
(2) FACILITIES.—Paragraph (1)(E)—
(A) shall only apply with respect to facilities that
remain at Love Field after the city of Dallas has reduced
the number of gates at Love Field as required by subsection
(a); and
(B shall not be construed to require the city of Dallas,
Texas—
(i) to construct additional gates beyond the 20
gates referred to in subsection (a); or
(ii) to modify or eliminate preferential gate leases
with air carriers in order to allocate gate capacity
to new entrants or to create common use gates, unless
such modification or elimination is implemented on
a nationwide basis.
 
You are a worse lawyer than me.

 

[WNMECH]

Now for the record, the only gate space that Delta can be awarded is the use of one of United's gates. 
The fact that United doesn't appear to be scheduling a full slate of flights from them, and WN is only subleasing one for overflow (not scheduled flights), may help Delta in a court battle.
That could be solved by United increasing their number of flights before any court case can be settled.
The Wright Amendment Reform Act of 2006, and the Scarce Resource Provision of their existing leases gives them the protection.
 
But WNs 16 gates and flight schedule will not be affected by anything Delta tries to achieve in court.
All the claims made by WT that WN will have to reduce their schedule or live with less than 16 gates are protected in the Wright Amendment Reform Act of 2006.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Wrong again.  The paragragh that you cite is Paragraph (1)(E).
But Paragraph (2) gives the exception to PARA (1)(E).
 
 
 
(2) FACILITIES.—Paragraph (1)(E)—
(A) shall only apply with respect to facilities that
remain at Love Field after the city of Dallas has reduced
the number of gates at Love Field as required by subsection
(a); and
(B shall not be construed to require the city of Dallas,
Texas—
(i) to construct additional gates beyond the 20
gates referred to in subsection (a); or
(ii) to modify or eliminate preferential gate leases
with air carriers in order to allocate gate capacity
to new entrants or to create common use gates, unless
such modification or elimination is implemented on
a nationwide basis.
 
You are a worse lawyer than me.

wrong paragraph

I'm not a lawyer but I can read.

 

[WNMECH]

wrong paragraph

I'm not a lawyer but I can read.

Right Paragraph, and you cant read.
Para (1)(E) states this:
 
(1) IN GENERAL.—Nothing in this Act shall be construed—
    (E) to limit the authority of the Federal Aviation
Administration or any other Federal agency to enforce
requirements of law and grant assurances (including subsections
(a)(1), (a)(4), and (s) of section 47107 of title 49,
United States Code) that impose obligations on Love Field
to make its facilities available on a reasonable and nondiscriminatory
basis to air carriers seeking to use such
facilities, or to withhold grants or deny applications to
applicants violating such obligations with respect to Love
Field.
 
EXCEPTION:
 
Para (2) states that Para (1)(E)
shall not be construed to require the city of Dallas
 to modify or eliminate preferential gate leases
with air carriers in order to allocate gate capacity
to new entrants or to create common use gates, unless
such modification or elimination is implemented on
a nationwide basis.
 
This Law is only a little over one page long.
You should stick to Cat in the Hat.

 

[WorldTraveler]

you're getting hot.

now if only you can sort out that one does not eliminate the necessity to follow the other.

again, argue the case in court or leave it those who know.

DAL CANNOT put aside its obligations to provide access to other carriers.

If you or WN think that DAL will be permanently restricted to 3 carriers, you have a very rude awakening coming.

 

[WNMECH]

you're getting hot.now if only you can sort out that one does not eliminate the necessity to follow the other.again, argue the case in court or leave it those who know.DAL CANNOT put aside its obligations to provide access to other carriers.If you or WN think that DAL will be permanently restricted to 3 carriers, you have a very rude awakening coming.

I'm not hot, I am enjoying the banter while laughing at you as I read your ignorance.
 
"one does not eliminate the necessity to follow the other"
Yes it does, that is exactly why that exception was written into the law.
It specifically limits para (1)(E)

Reading and understanding a simple one page Law is not one of your strengths.

This Law was carefully written and debated in conference and both floors of congress.
It is easy to read and understand to most people.

I never said that there would only 3 airlines at Love.
I have always maintained the position that WN will always retain all of at least their 16 gates.

To your point, I do see an opening for Delta if United decides to not use their gates fully.
There is a process for the COD to recapture that gate and convert it to common use.
But I think United has plans for both their leased gates and may have to put up or shut up to keep them.
The sublease to WN is sneaky, but they may get away with it if they schedule more flights from Love.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Maybe Delta should fight for the routes of Seaport Airlines. They may have a winner there.

They could go back to their 'routes' and dominate the north Texas to central and southern Arkansas market. They have the correct aircraft and passenger market to win this traffic over using their own metal.

It is precisely that kind of forward thinking that got Delta in the position they are today in the North Texas market.

Delta will likely exhaust all legal avenues available to all Atlanta based legacy airlines with CEO'S from Texas with a legal background with help from congressional delegation to win over the...wait, where was I, oh, never mind.




http://www.seaportair.com/dallas.php

 

[WNMECH]

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2014/10/capacity-at-dallas-love-field-will-increase-151-percent-by-mid-january.html/
 
 
 
 
[SIZE=9.5pt]Capacity (ASMS)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9.5pt]Now[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9.5pt]Mid-January[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9.5pt]Change[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]Southwest Airlines[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]11,697,400[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]25,316,148[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]116%[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]Virgin America[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]-[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]5,019,480[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]NA[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]United Express[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]134,352[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]259,200[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]93%[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]SeaPort Airlines[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]8,460[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]8,460[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]0%[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]Delta Air Lines[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]359,000[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]-[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]-100%[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]Total[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]12,199,212[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]30,603,288[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]151%[/SIZE]

 

[AirLUVer]

you're getting hot.

now if only you can sort out that one does not eliminate the necessity to follow the other.

again, argue the case in court or leave it those who know.

DAL CANNOT put aside its obligations to provide access to other carriers.

If you or WN think that DAL will be permanently restricted to 3 carriers, you have a very rude awakening coming.

I think you are the one getting hot, since Love will have 4 carriers, on the 13th.
 
Southwest
United Express
Virgin America
and Seaport Airlines
 
It is all about negotiating subleases, which evidently Delta was not successful in doing.