Change of Control Update

[700UW]

Let me explain this to you and the board once again.

Neither M&R or Fleet ever reached a t/a in the last bankruptcy.

The Judge Abrogated both CBAs and the company gave a final offer to each group, which each group ratified.

I know I was there.

 

[Tim Nelson]

freedom,
"I wonder , if the case is lost , will you blame the union oriole man?"

answer : NO I don't blame the union because IT will be up to the arbitrator who decides, and I am fine with that
its a risk one way or another.

"Because it’s NOT the union that subjected you too pay cuts"

Your D-mn right I blame the union THEY are the ones that agreed with the bk contract. But what would you know
about that it was before your time.

go refill your glass .. your kool aid is about gone

700UW
I have to give you credit . for once I do agree with what you said

Orioleman, we have made solid contacts in most America West stations, including PHX. I can assure you that Freedom is clearly in the minority in his support of the IAM leadership. Furthermore, IMO, the America West workers are in a critical position to either force the IAm to section 6 negotiations or face 'great pain' and possibly no wage increases for the next 5-10 years.
The PHX IAM leader is taking his folks down a road that is a dead end, shouting to his people that once the COC is won, real negotiations can follow. As you know orioleman, neither I nor I suppose you have heard of ONE SINGLE east sider who is willing to even think about negotiations once he wins $30,000 and wages up to $26hr. IMO, east siders will be buying cigars and sporting shiny new hitches on their trucks and saying, "Negotiations leave us alone and go away until 21015." Once we hit the lotto, there is no reason to negotiate until you have to.

If the west finally respects itself and stops listening to Canale's soon to be appointed VP out of PHX, and demands the IAM finally spend the money to negotiate in section 6's, then they will join the east after the long process is over. Until then, the west and Freedom will continue to experience 'great pain'. Remember, the east voted out the last TA by 87% even though it had no final knowledge on an arbitration award, what on this planet makes any west sider agree with Canale's PHX boy in thinking that the east will willingly go to the negotiations table with award in hand??????

In conclusion, I firmly believe the west should finally be represented by their own instead of east siders at the AGC level, but until their own leadership demands it, it isn't going to happen. Like I said, they must act now instead of complaining and waiting but until section 6 negotiations are had, the west will continue in their experiencing 'great pain'.

Remember, $439 million lotto ticket split between 10,000 workers.

regards,

 

[freedom]

The PHX IAM leader is taking his folks down a road that is a dead end, shouting to his people that once the COC is won, real negotiations can follow. As you know orioleman, neither I nor I suppose you have heard of ONE SINGLE east sider who is willing to even think about negotiations once he wins $30,000 and wages up to $26hr. IMO, east siders will be buying cigars and sporting shiny new hitches on their trucks and saying, "Negotiations leave us alone and go away until 21015." Once we hit the lotto, there is no reason to negotiate until you have to.

So your entire future view and current views are based on the vision the IAM will win the COC ? Well then that’s where we differ . What’s the rush tim ? Why do we have to act RIGHT NOW , it’s only a little longer until the COC is decided upon in court . It seems prudent to me to simply wait for the court ruling as that we’ve waited this long anyways .If the East wins kudos to you all , but i caution against getting your hopes TOO high .

 

[Tim Nelson]

So your entire future view and current views are based on the vision the IAM will win the COC ? Well then that’s where we differ . What’s the rush tim ? Why do we have to act RIGHT NOW , it’s only a little longer until the COC is decided upon in court . It seems prudent to me to simply wait for the court ruling as that we’ve waited this long anyways .If the East wins kudos to you all , but i caution against getting your hopes TOO high .

freedom, nobody's hopes are 'up'. This is in process. If the East wins it then the path is much much clearer and nobody will be much interested in negotiations for until 2015. Arbitration is binding therefore any attempt for the IAm to negotiate an award away due to the company's continued legal action after any such award will only be met with the company paying more fines and fees. It will be the equivalent of putting the winning lotto ticket money in a 6% CD for 1 year.


Regards,

 

[Hadenough]

Freedom
I am an an eastie and I do not agree with Tim's assessment at all. I do expect to win the COC arbitration. Here is where I part company with some of the fellow eastside boys. I do not expect to see a single penny of that award. I am not being negative I am being a realist. Even if I recieved a payment it would have to go for bills. No cigars and no shiny new hitch. I would settle for being able to put food on my family's table.
Any one that thinks we will see any of that money is deceiving themself. Think about it for a minute. If the award is in our favor it should be used to get us a contract that the majority of the east and west can live with. Then we all can move on with our lives and careers. In the mean time anyone know where they keep the DO NOT OPERATE tags. I may need a supply of them for the holidays.

 

[goonman]

If we loose the COC we still win in my eyes. At the end of 2009 we get 4.5 % over the next three years plus profit sharing . I'll be well over $24 per hour by 2012.

 

[pjirish317]

If we loose the COC we still win in my eyes. At the end of 2009 we get 4.5 % over the next three years plus profit sharing . I'll be well over $24 per hour by 2012.

goonman,
I hate to burst your bubble, but there is no 4.5% raise in 2009 if we do not win the "COC". If we win, then the I AM MANAGEMENT can choose to extend our current CBA for 1,2 or 3 years with 4.5% annual pay increases each year after 2009. The CBA states "In addition to such hourly rates of pay, the IAM will have the right to extend the duration of the IAM restructuring agreement for one, two or three years at the IAM's option past the amendable date of the IAM restructuring agreement, with across the board wage increases of four and one half percent (4.5%) on the amendable date and on each of the three (3) annual anniversaries of the amendable date thereafter."

 

[orioleman]

Hadenough,
remember 1 thing. the COC is a Grievance not a bargaining chip. before the IAM filed they could have used it

as such , (which they did) but now that it has been filed.. and if won. RANDY can't go in to my bank account and take it away for an

extra week of vacation or whatever. Grievances are just that . The company violated my contract . IF Randy thinks he can take away any

award we would get . He better find a nice warm hole to go run in because that would be the end of the IAM fleet and M/R

 

[Hadenough]

O man
The reality of this whole thing is this lame excuse of a union WILL use any such award as exactly that. If we win the company will want to try and come out with a win also. That win will be a deal with the IAM. We will be on the short end of the stick again. Just my opinion.

 

[orioleman]

hadenough

good point . however Randy has already said thru the messenger that if an award is won that will open the door

to reneg. our contract. SO having said that I'm not worried about the company wanting to come back . (they can wait till 09

as far as I'm concerned.) I am worried about Randy trying to deal our award away . which would be totally 100 percent WRONG

 

[dexter]

Why is it so important to file with the NMB for IBEW before the ruling of the COC?

 

[john john]

Also I do agree with Fleet for voting down their tentative agreement, they should have followed 142s lead and never agree to anything until the COC is resolved.

Why do you have one union representing the employees of one airline on the same property doing two different things?

 

[john john]

Let me explain this to you and the board once again.

Neither M&R or Fleet ever reached a t/a in the last bankruptcy.

The Judge Abrogated both CBAs and the company gave a final offer to each group, which each group ratified.

I know I was there.

Did IAM recommend a YES VOTE?

 

[700UW]

The IAM gave no recomendation at all.

The stations where I conducted the meetings and vote I told them how I was voting and why which was a big resounding NO!

There was a split amongst the Negotiating Committee on wether to say yes or no.

Lets just say CLT and PHL reps were for a no vote, the yes votes I will let you guess on your own.

This was for M&R not Fleet.

I know Fleet, CLT was NO and PHL was yes, PHL sold out the ramp.

 

[delldude]

The IAM gave no recomendation at all.

The stations where I conducted the meetings and vote I told them how I was voting and why which was a big resounding NO!

There was a split amongst the Negotiating Committee on wether to say yes or no.

Lets just say CLT and PHL reps were for a not vote, the yes votes I will let you guess on your own.

This was for M&R not Fleet.

I know Fleet, CLT was NO and PHL was yes, PHL sold out the ramp.

Three hints....three rivers....