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I have no idea about what was implimented when and under what circumstances. It was my understanding that with the old reserve system the top XX% of F/A's always got their time in while there was a percentage at the bottom that never flew. This gave the company a way to more evenly spread time out through the entire reserve book offering better coverage. (Again, this is what I understood) By spreaidng the time over the entire book, out of seniority order, instead of XX% getting their time, and XX% not flying, the misery is spread to everyone and no one gets their time in.

There would be two ways to fix the problem.....1) increase flying to produce more block time and less reserves (good), or 2) furlough F/A's to reduce the number of reserves and boosting time to those remaining (bad). Hopefully the schedule change in Feb will help those that are on reserve get their time in.

Again, this is my understanding......
 
Again preferential bidding would have helped, but it still isn't around. While the old system screwed some, this one screwed ALL. I agree maybe an increase in flying time would help. The old system was fine except for the passing system was too liberal. Also, with all the cutbacks, many are on reserve who never thought they would be, so there IS much more attention to it, but Pitbull or a reserve can probably answer those questions.
 
markkus757 said:
I was doing the whole ticket counter, gates, and ops and got out while I could. Can I help it if you like the view from the Titanic?
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You must have worked at a very small station to be so talented to do everything there. Again, I think the best therapy for you now that you are out of this stressful situation, is to GO FLY A KITE! This is no longer your battle to win or loose.
 
PHL is not a small station, talented people get to do a lot in life. Maybe surfing is in your future?
 
She was entitled to that trip NOT the blockholder that forgot to sign in for the trip.

The company should have put her up for the night, instead we asked them to send her home for two days so she could recover from THE DAMN STRESS
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what this person deserves is paid for the trip, a room, a grievance, several months off stress related OIJ with full pay and the CS should be fired for attempting to interpret afa contract language and the late blockholder commended for pointing out clear management ineptitude.
 
The C/S supervisor was wonderful and fully understood he had a f/a in major distress. He was there to do what he could to rectify the problem. This f/a is not going to get her time in, therefore payment for the trip is moot.

I owe this supervisor for his good judgement in "conflict /resolution"
 
She was entitled to that trip NOT the blockholder that forgot to sign in for the trip.

The company should have put her up for the night, instead we asked them to send her home for two days so she could recover from THE DAMN STRESS

what this person deserves is paid for the trip, a room, a grievance, several months off stress related OIJ with full pay and the CS should be fired for attempting to interpret afa contract language and the late blockholder commended for pointing out clear management ineptitude.
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What's with your smartalic attitude, cowboy?

The irony is afa contract language perpetuated that entire situation. From the f/a not signing in, to the CS making the call, to the reserve being able, or not being allowed to take a flight while then at the airport. And management should of coarse have to pay for this. Whats's senoirity off a blockholder these days- 20 something years? Their still learn that confusing trip sign-in responsibility thing huh.
 
openview,

Wrong, bucko. Per the contract, what should have happened is the reserve went on the trip and the blockholder that didn't check in should have gone home without being paid for the trip. No extra cost to the company.

What really happened is the company (scheduling, I presume) let the blockholder fly the trip anyway and by doing so incurred extra cost. If the reserve didn't break guarantee, the company got off cheap because they didn't have to pay 2 F/A's for the same trip.

So point that finger of blame where it belongs....

Jim
 
Just a question.....

What if waiting for the reserve would have caused a delay and by putting the blockholder on the flight, it departed on time? Should we have delayed the flight and inconvenienced the customers?
 
BoeingBoy said:
openview,

Wrong, bucko. Per the contract, what should have happened is the reserve went on the trip and the blockholder that didn't check in should have gone home without being paid for the trip. No extra cost to the company.

What really happened is the company (scheduling, I presume) let the blockholder fly the trip anyway and by doing so incurred extra cost. If the reserve didn't break guarantee, the company got off cheap because they didn't have to pay 2 F/A's for the same trip.

So point that finger of blame where it belongs....

Jim
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Bingo, Brother....Thanks.


MMW,

The reserve was quick called for the trip. The blockholder forgot to sign in, but was boarding the flight. C/s said they called the gate but no one anwered therfore they assumed the blockholder didn't show. So they covered the trip with a reserve.

Well, low and behold the f/a is 7 minutes from the airport and the schedulers calls again and tells her that the f/a showed up for the flight, and will take it to PHL, and the reserve will be deadheaded to PHL and work the rest of the flight as the lineholder was no longer entitled to it.

They told her she would be deadheading on the next flight to PHL. The reserve goes to check in and see that the flight is still at the gate calls s/s and they tell her that she is now to run to the gate. She runs to the gate and the flight is gone. She calls yet again c/s and they tell her that the blockholder took the flight out and that the reserve would only be entitled "2 hour- show no go".

So, this reserve now is stuck at the airport at 4:00, her ride is gone back 40 minutes away...so she waits for another trip. At around 7:30 she calls AFA and is so stressed out as she is stuck at the airport with no money for a hotel, and feels she should have had that 3 day trip. And she should have. She wanted to just quit and just cried. AFA called the c/s supervisor and asked if they could just give her a trip, they had nothing. They said she could claim the first day as the trip should have been hers.

However, this reserve just wanted to quit and said she just can't take this anymore and this was the second time she lost a trip. AFter much discussion they released her for 48 hours to go home as she was up here for 5 days waiting to fly. Again, she only had 28 hours, therefore, she won't break guarantee. NOthing for her efforts to run to the airport on damn quick calls.

Its one thing to be able to have a wage where you can afford a hotel room or a commuter pad. However, on these wages, its impossible. And you rely on friends to stay with and ride you to the airport in base.

This is just a small example of what its like for these folks. AFA phone rings every day with multiple calls with these kinds of issues.

These folks are broke and depressed.

AFA is trying to negotiate a proposal that folks will be able to survive on, nothing more. AT present, what the co. proposes is not survivable for the employee.

If the f/a can't exist having the job....then it really doesn't matter voting yes on a contract now does it?
 
OK, I must tread lightly here in view of the gross misunderstanding of my last post...Things are crappy at U and not going to get any better in the foreseeable future, maybe 5-10 years. If your lucky enough to be around. My question is this...why are you still there? I know the knee-jerk response will be "I cant afford to quit" My knee-jerk response is WHY? I doubt there are VERY few situations that would lead an employee to homelessness. There is a parent, ex, friend who would be willing to take said employee in until they have another gig. A waiter/waitress job would pay the bills a bit more efficiently than a negative 30th paycheck. "What about health care?" you scream. Well, what about it? If you do not have a chronic condition that requires on-going care take a leap. Do something. There are professions out there in desperate need of intelligent people will to make an educational commitment. No health care does not mean no health treatment....Treatment is guaranteed. So, the "I commute to base, I never thought I would be on reserve" is a non-argument. The EAP is available and ready to serve your imminent need...your long term needs are your responsibility.
I just loved it, when I was still flying, to ask people just back from a six month furlough what they did with their time....the resounding answer was "nothing"....Every minute you spend at that company is wasted.
 
MarkMyWords said:
Just a question.....

What if waiting for the reserve would have caused a delay and by putting the blockholder on the flight, it departed on time? Should we have delayed the flight and inconvenienced the customers?
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Again, a management (scheduling/dispatch) decision. In your example the tradeoff is delay and save money or wait and spend money.

Not to mention that there are other alternatives which may or not have a cost depending on several variables. Like taking a F/A that's there to do a later flight and sending them on this flight and putting the reserve on the later flight (what the contract calls a reroute).

Jim
 
daybeforecommuter,

Tread very lightly here...pal. :angry: Its not light enough...
 
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