AWA ALPA Thread for the Week 9/14-9/20

[EastUS]

Did you cry foul when you learned of your MEC/MC's position regarding the seniority integration?

I clearly see the "Honorable" logic in equating the drug runs with Mec issues...... It's agreed that such was before your time. Perhaps some study of articles touting up the renegade nature of the early AWA pilot group proudly consisting of Scabs and such wouldn't effect any change in your thinking either...but we ancients recall such well. That you've no knowledge of these things by way of your recent arrival does your ready accusations of "Dishonorable" east folk little benefit.

Don't be overly shocked when the term Naieve comes back at you.

 

[Tiger 1050]

In Life? = None of us ever know that...the youngest merely suppose In commercial aviation? Depends on whether I get fed up with it, which, due to the people I get to work with, ain't happened as of yet I'd certainly like to stick around long enough to not see such people flying "junior" to your bunch, so that's a few intended years at least After which? You can lust after my "number", in the farthest reaches of your current career perspective's ability

Not lusting after your "number." Just trying to get a little perspective...

Nos asked how long I have been in the employ of AWA and I answered, giving what appears to you to be ammunition. Let's make it fair. How long to retirement?

 

[nostradamus]

Not lusting after your "number." Just trying to get a little perspective...

Nos asked how long I have been in the employ of AWA and I answered, giving what appears to you to be ammunition. Let's make it fair. How long to retirement?

The company will be out of business by then, I will relish this.

 

[Tiger 1050]

Tiger 1050 does not want to answer the drug running question. He does not care about you sons or daughters. He only wants to leap ahead of real airline pilots because he has three years in the business. Sound familiar. He is not the solution, he is part of the problem. Black eye he says. Does this help your grieving when thinking how the drug problem hurt your families, ether by use crime or tax dollars.

Is this really the level of maturity out there?!? You are going to equate the drug problem in our country to our seniority issues? Yes the deflection tactic hard at work!!! But you are still reaching... Why do you refuse to own up to and answer the questions posed?

Did you or did you not cry foul when your MEC/MC declared their position regarding the seniority integration?

 

[nostradamus]

Is this really the level of maturity out there?!? You are going to equate the drug problem in our country to our seniority issues? Yes the deflection tactic hard at work!!! But you are still reaching... Why do you refuse to own up to and answer the questions posed?

Did you or did you not cry foul when your MEC/MC declared their position regarding the seniority integration?

Did you cry foul when hundreds of your members scabbed and crossed the picket line in Australia and the United States. Did you not cry foul when you found out that your management pilots were running drugs. Your leaders scabbed and flew drugs around are you responsible for this, yes.

 

[EastUS]

The company will be out of business by then, I will relish this.

It certainly will cease to exist in it's present form. I've no crystal to seek the future with...but that's a given.

 

[SkyRat]

Tiger and nos... Where the hell is Richard when he's needed? Plenty of corn to be picked, and you both might be there "gathering" it together. So be nice to each other

Now onto the subject... Where do I start? Hmmmm... Let's see! MEC tells NC to do WHAT? You know about it and do What? Nothing... Deal with it now. You should have recalled, communicate, change the course that your elected officers choose.

So what did you do? NADA! You wanted it ALL or nothing... It's sounded GREAT! Salivating and licking your chops on what you wanted to hear. That's why YOU are were YOU are.

Now live with it. Your elected reps have chosen this path! Dumping ALPA will not change the outcome.

BTW I have been here? How much? Hmmmm... Binding? Hmmm... I forgot your honor. Activate you JNC or Nat'l will do YOUR talking. Plain and simple.

And I whohearthy wish things were diferent, but your aviation "experience" does NOT entitle you to display this childish behavior. To agree onto something and when you see the results you change your mind. Temper Trendrum style! See what you are doing? Can YOU try that!

Think about it,
GL

 

[nostradamus]

Here is a Christmas card list for your America West Pilots and Praters Continental Airline pilot buddies.


America West pilot scabs and Continental Pilot Scabs

 

[nostradamus]

Tiger and nos... Where the hell is Richard when he's needed? Plenty of corn to be picked, and you both might be there "gathering" it together. So be nice to each other

Now onto the subject... Where do I start? Hmmmm... Let's see! MEC tells NC to do WHAT? You know about it and do What? Nothing... Deal with it now. You should have recalled, communicate, change the course that your elected officers choose.

So what did you do? NADA! You wanted it ALL or nothing... It's sounded GREAT! Salivating and licking your chops on what you wanted to hear. That's why YOU are were YOU are.

Now live with it. Your elected reps have chosen this path! Dumping ALPA will not change the outcome.

BTW I have been here? How much? Hmmmm... Binding? Hmmm... I forgot your honor. Activate you JNC or Nat'l will do YOUR talking. Plain and simple.

And I whohearthy wish things were diferent, but your aviation "experience" does NOT entitle you to display this childish behavior. To agree onto something and when you see the results you change your mind. Temper Trendrum style! See what you are doing? Can YOU try that!

Think about it,
GL

When the facts do not patronize your kind, it is not grounds for the cornfield. It is truly amazing when you guys cry for Richard when only facts are posted. America West pilots scabbed and ran drugs, this is a fact.

 

[EastUS]

Now live with it.

Can't see ANY reason to do so Therein lies our impasse.

 

[Tiger 1050]

Did you cry foul when hundreds of your members scabbed and crossed the picket line in Australia and the United States.

You should know that having been here only 3 yrs I was not on property then. Do I think they were wrong? He!! yes!

Did you not cry foul when you found out that your management pilots were running drugs.

Again I was not here.

Your leaders scabbed and flew drugs around are you responsible for this, yes.

No. How could I be when I was not in the employ of AWA? You are reaching again. Your failure to adequately debate the issues at hand suggests you have no real answers or you wish not to divulge them in the interest of maintaining your prevarication.

Guys, it's been fun but I gotta get some sleep...

 

[nostradamus]

Did you cry foul when hundreds of your members scabbed and crossed the picket line in Australia and the United States.

You should know that having been here only 3 yrs I was not on property then. Do I think they were wrong? He!! yes!

Did you not cry foul when you found out that your management pilots were running drugs.

Again I was not here.

Your leaders scabbed and flew drugs around are you responsible for this, yes.

No. How could I be when I was not in the employ of AWA? You are reaching again. Your failure to adequately debate the issues at hand suggests you have no real answers or you wish not to divulge them in the interest of maintaining your prevarication.


Guys, it's been fun but I gotta get some sleep...


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Triumph... Go Your Own Way

Instead of saying you were not around, how about condemning the acts of your predecessors. You were not around when the whole merger started, but you want credit for that. You are a hypocrite sir.

 

[Tiger 1050]

Instead of saying you were not around, how about condemning the acts of your predecessors. You were not around when the whole merger started, but you want credit for that. You are a hypocrite sir.

Alright one last post.

Hypocrite?!?! How so? I told you I was hired by AWA in Jun '04. Now tell me what was the date of the merger announcement? May 19th 2005 in case you conveniently forgot.

BTW what would you have me do to condemn the action of my predecessors? Predecessors being theoperative word here. You still have your MEC/MC intact. Will you condemn their actions?

 

[nostradamus]

Alright one last post.

Hypocrite?!?! How so? I told you I was hired by AWA in Jun '04. Now tell me what was the date of the merger announcement? May 19th 2005 in case you conveniently forgot.

BTW what would you have me do to condemn the action of my predecessors? Predecessors being theoperative word here. You still have your MEC/MC intact. Will you condemn their actions?

Its not my fault, I was not around when they made their decisions. I am a victim just like you. I do not take responsibilities for my peers actions, because I was not around, just like you. If I am responsible for the actions of my peers when I was not around, that makes you a scab and a drug runner, they did that when you claim you were not around. You are here for three years, and want 15 years or more credit.

Naive boy, your windfall will turn into hell. You will stare out your cockpit window at the sunrise and sunset but you will never be able to enjoy the beauty.

 

[SkyRat]

nostradamus. Get some sleep... Delirious!