August/September 2013 Fleet Discussion
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They brought allot of work back to INT, Not sure how many but they constantly have hiring classes.
Tim Nelson
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they have a 401k. Earth to 700, retirements have adapted into plans that are more accessible, and portable than the defined pensions of the Jurassic era. Plus the contribution plans offer control to the participant and were birthed due to the tax laws introduced in the 90's that reflected our culture shift where the culture wanted more choice and control over the paternal plans of unions.
Logically, academically, and reasonably, I would much rather have a NC give members a choice in where it wants the company contributions to go. Like the AS IAM negotiators did, and I posted that language. That way, for those that would rather the company give their retirement contributions to the IAM, they can still have the IAMPF. But those of us who have lost trust in the IAMPF due to them slashing our future benefits, we would have the choice of having the company contribute to OUR account where we can self manage and cut out the middle man and all the restrictions and increased risk of it being stolen again by the IAM.
As far as reservations work, all of it is under scope. Let's not knock that. Let's give the CWA credit for having scope at ALL AIRPORTS AND ALL CENTERS. K?
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Another reason why you claimed the IAM was the "I Am Management' union [Your term] and that it couldn't hurt to give the IBEW a shot, was because the first TA set you off due to Reagan deciding to hand over the profit sharing as well. Again, for me, my decision, started and finished on scope. Neither contract offered the protections we would expect. I don't care if it was $25 buck an hour, without scope, would it matter?
But there is hope. I know it's been 5 years where these new IAM leaders haven't done squat other than blowing up contracts at HAL and UAL after bold faced lies and talking a good game, but thus far, they are talking a good game at US AIRWAYS and haven't yet pushed the button to sabotage US AIRWAYS talks like they did at HAL and UAL.
I do believe that AH placed only one apple in front of them on the negotiation table and is trying to hypnotize them into thinking that all other airline contracts, including the CWA upstairs one is like comparing apples and oranges [LMFAO]. I can hear AH saying "Pay no attention to the other contracts, the only apple is AMR Bankrupt contract" LMFAO.
The reality of the situation is that the only orange is in fact the AMR bankrupt contract since it's a bankruptcy contract and all others aren't. I think our NC should focus on the CWA contract, Alaska air, Southwest air, United ramp, etc. And place the AMR Bankrupt contract at the bottom. That said, the AMR bankrupt contract is still superior to the current IAM contract, overall.
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My point is this, if there is work, then it should be worked by the members of the union and not contracted out. CWA has satisfied that point and I challenge 700 to show us where the CWA has allowed their work to be contracted out? In fact, the only contracts on the property that allow contracting out are the two IAM contracts. No other contract on the entire property permits it.
The current IAM fleet contract only protects 10 class one stations. All other stations can be contracted out.
How about some " RETRO " for the pain of waiting. Hey does Kevin Gorham still work the bag room in CLT?
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i very highly doubt we will ever see retro esp when you have an anti labor low life clown such as allen "i hate labor" hemmeragaing hemmingway is in charge of nego for the monkeys at tempe.... it would be nice to see that retro but do not count on it...
this outfit probably will make a good profit..... we shall see on wed
this outfit probably will make a good profit..... we shall see on wed
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I don't believe Delaney will settle with retro. The thing that chaps my A is how the IAM has always just left the fleet contracts hanging on the back end to encourage the company to just stall. Instead of securing 3% raises for each year after the amendable date, the IAM negotiated a concession on the duration by securing a ridiculous 2% after 18 months then 'tuffa lucka'.
But your post brings to light some things that should be must have's for the sake of accountability. Any wage gain must also include wage increases beyond an amendable date. The US AIRWAYS fleet will fall bigtime behind AMR fleet if it doesn't negotiate a bigger wage or if it falls behind the 'pay parity' AMR Fleet has in 2015 which bases AMR Fleet on the wages of United, Delta, and US AIRWAYS wages [inclusive of line, longevity pay, etc.]
Delta is at $23.76 right now, including the .60 longevity it has. If we just assumed a 2% pay raise for 2014 and 2015, that would take it to $24.70 in 2015 [base and longevity]. And the failed ta at United had a 2015 wage rate of $24 [including a .75 longevity]. That would give the AMR bankrupt contract a lift of about another $1 unless the IAM cleaned things up at United and US AIRWAYS.
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A record profit is expected. If retro can't be had then something has to be done on the back end of the ta that offers up raises if the company stalls. But not in any case should it offer up more concessions to encourage the company to stall. I mean, really, AH knew that if he stalled for 18 months that he would only have to pay 2% in 2012 after 18 months of no pay raise. Those sorta things are just stupid but no doubt a construction of highly uneducated labor guys who really have no clue on what they are doing other than listening to the IAM and renting their brains out to the IAM.
Don't blame AH, he didn't make those guys sign such a ignorant contract, neither did he make the members vote for it. Big AH is just doing what he is being paid to do, and the IAM has supported him along the way.
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i hear ya on the profit but in reality i do think the vast majority of those profits are strictly based on all the fees the company charges.. as for the fleet in no way shape or form would i want to see any kind of crappy deals that were handed to ua and hal i however want a contract as does many folks that has scpe enhancments and better wages and everything else but when will we get that is up in the air while ah knew if he stalled for 18 months i would not and never would expct him to actually come to an agreement in the light of the merger with aa i think he is going to stall til we get the green light to merge with aa then he will have forced the iam to negogiate a transitional agreement therefore he knows he would bypass the sec 6 i think thats the game plan ah wants and he will stop at nothing to get that and thats how i see it right now
Doesn't CWA passenger service have much better scope than IAM fleet service? It was posted before that CWA has mainline agents at many stations that fleet service was contracted. Is this a case of Air Willy (or other IAM represented outsourcing partner)?
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any idea as to what kind of big change and would it be good or bad....
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josh yes that is true. cwa rep agents are at all of us mainline cities... do not know about air wiskey or their ramp but in the cities such as mdt abe dtw buf etc and the list goes on the cwa has their own agents whereas the ramp was eliminated back in 03 n 05 and some of those cities closed up permanently
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