August/September 2013 Fleet Discussion

[ograc]

One thing is certain. US Fleet; through two bankruptcy contracts and a transition agreement, have fallen way behind industry average. Outside of comparing us to the AA Fleet, who are currently under a bankruptcy agreement, it is quite evident we are looking at the backside of other members represented in our craft and class throughout the industry. Additionally, we are looking at the backside of fellow employees on the US property who are represented by other unions. We need to be patient and determined to regain what has been sacrificed. IMO... the only way this will be accomplished is by staying in Section 6 negotiations and supporting the NC. As long as this course of action is the agenda of the NC, District Leadership, and the International they have my complete support. No Transition Negotiations until a Fair contract is reached, under Section 6 negotiations, for the US Fleet Service! IMO... if we waiver from this strategy we will continue to be "bottom feeders". Hell... AH wants us to forego Section 6 and enter into "Transition Talks" for future improvements. What does that tell you Sisters and Brothers? Speaking for myself; Thanks, but No Thanks!

 

[Tim Nelson]

+1

 

[ograc]

I believe the vast majority of those on this forum, along with the membership, concur with my previous post. If so; this forms the nucleus of solidarity going forward. A common goal for the common good. A fair contract; negotiated under Section 6 for the Fleet at US before entering into merger transition talks with the company.
Let the message be loud and clear; not only to the company but the International, District leadership and our NC as well. This is what the membership wants, deserves and expects!
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
ograc

 

[Tim Nelson]

+1

 

[mike33]

I believe the vast majority of those on this forum, along with the membership, concur with my previous post. If so; this forms the nucleus of solidarity going forward. A common goal for the common good. A fair contract; negotiated under Section 6 for the Fleet at US before entering into merger transition talks with the company.
Let the message be loud and clear; not only to the company but the International, District leadership and our NC as well. This is what the membership wants, deserves and expects!
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
ograc

You couldn't be.......................................closer to the truth!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[robbedagain]

+1

 

[ChockJockey]

I believe the vast majority of those on this forum, along with the membership, concur with my previous post. If so; this forms the nucleus of solidarity going forward. A common goal for the common good. A fair contract; negotiated under Section 6 for the Fleet at US before entering into merger transition talks with the company.
Let the message be loud and clear; not only to the company but the International, District leadership and our NC as well. This is what the membership wants, deserves and expects!
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
ograc

I agree.

 

[mike33]

I have a question regarding " single carrier status". In the MOU the TWU signed it stated that the TWU shall file " Single Carrier Status " with the NMB as soon as facts support the legal requirement following the EFFECTIVE DATE. Also known by the Merger of US and AA or the New American but not later than 6 months after the EFFECTIVE DATE. Does the association of the two unions negate that Must File in the MOU?

Certainly don't want these dips **** forcing either of our hands by signature

 

[700UW]

Yes the alliance says both unions have to file SCS jointly.

 

[john john]

What effect will that have on section 6 negotiations?

 

[Socplat13]

What effect will that have on section 6 negotiations?

The Association can file SCS and still remain in Section Six talks for the pre-merger USA Fleet. There is nothing that forces the Association to enter into bargaining for a joint contract.

 

[700UW]

The alliance will not file for SCS until after both M&R and Fleet approve a new CBA.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Its impossible for the alliance to file single carrier since it wont be recognized at that time. The twu has to file single carrier since it is the certified bargainer. It will do so 6 months after the effective date.
Has nothing to do with section 6.

The significance of the association is that it will recognize the lcc section 6. Also, the fence agreement language in the mou will be void when the association is certified. Otherwise, the twu would have been forced to negotiate a fence.

 

[mike33]

Its impossible for the alliance to file single carrier since it wont be recognized at that time. The twu has to file single carrier since it is the certified bargainer. It will do so 6 months after the effective date.
Has nothing to do with section 6.

The significance of the association is that it will recognize the lcc section 6. Also, the fence agreement language in the mou will be void when the association is certified. Otherwise, the twu would have been forced to negotiate a fence.

Narrowing the question. Can TWU then be forced to file before the certification vote? The MOU language says they must file as soon as the legal facts support it. The company may petition the NMB to force a SCC, or, should we be not worried about it. This is a little different language than the USAIR language yrs ago.

 

[robbedagain]

if the company petitions the nmb to force an scc how would that affect the iam sec 6 talks for both groups at US and what then becomes of the sec 6 talks? id think that may be this could be the game play that AH wants to use sort of the ace of spades which is why all the more important we get a deal now under sec 6 while we have the leverage