August/September 2013 Fleet Discussion

[700UW]

The power of the committee starts on the floor, not in the room across the table.

The pilots took out full page ads about fuel school didnt do a thing, the IAM did informational picketing, didnt do a thing.

The pubic only cares about ontime and cheap fares, they think all the airline employees are overpaid and jet set all over the world on their days off.

 

[Tim Nelson]

The power of the committee starts on the floor, not in the room across the table.

The pilots took out full page ads about fuel school didnt do a thing, the IAM did informational picketing, didnt do a thing.

The pubic only cares about ontime and cheap fares, they think all the airline employees are overpaid and jet set all over the world on their days off.

700, there are techniques. I'm not going to blab about them on here. Regarding your post about the pilots or what the IAM did, you are wrong, both did something. And more of it does even more. Everything starts at the top, with leadership. A plan, a play, a book, and a coordinated strategy. Then it is communicated after having a trained and educated workforce. The IAM is trying to play a pickup game. Calling plays in the dirt only works in sandlot.

 

[psa8979]

TN you are right about LCC/AH. Scope is what WE should make #1 and why CWA/IBT has more of their Members doing CS work in LCC Stations. I have always preached to my Brothers and Sisters you can be making $100.00 an hr. in wages and benefits . But, if the company can contract out your job or force you to commute 100's or 1000's of miles away from your family and friends. Does it matter ? Scope ties in with Seniority and LCC/AH have used it to divide and control IAM F/S. The IAM and LCC N/C can't let this happen with the Membership or WE will have fewer F/S Stations and the IAM/TWU will have fewer Members.
LCC/AH is ALL IN . Contract Now ! Contracts for All !

 

[Tim Nelson]

TN you are right about LCC/AH. Scope is what WE should make #1 and why CWA/IBT has more of their Members doing CS work in LCC Stations. I have always preached to my Brothers and Sisters you can be making $100.00 an hr. in wages and benefits . But, if the company can contract out your job or force you to commute 100's or 1000's of miles away from your family and friends. Does it matter ? Scope ties in with Seniority and LCC/AH have used it to divide and control IAM F/S. The IAM and LCC N/C can't let this happen with the Membership or WE will have fewer F/S Stations and the IAM/TWU will have fewer Members.
LCC/AH is ALL IN . Contract Now ! Contracts for All !

expand expand expand. I'll be in a class 1 station [either PHL or CLT shortly] but if the CWA is working upstairs, then our NC needs to find a way to get AH to sign his name on one that protects the jobs and enhances the jobs in fleet service. I realize that there is another pay scale in express only stations [I think US AIRWAYS is only allowed 1 mainline but maybe John John can help us here] but IMO, work at class 1 stations and even express stations helps preserve the work at the class 1 stations.

 

[Kev3188]

I also heard mgmt is serving up "goodies " again today.

People like free sh*t. It's an effective strategy. Companies know that...

I will also say that I am disappointed in the IAM, and most union leaderships, who haven't shifted the winning techniques with the changing culture.

There should be no waiting around for mediator decisions. Time does waste, so it seems. Maneuvering, in legal ways, by exercising civil rights [off the property], as opposed to labor rights, on the property, is quite powerful, and quite effective, and should be organized and initiated by the leadership. Most of the labor rights have been collared anyways since they are contractually bound and could be illegal.

There is a reason why unions have sucked bad in this country of late. The leadership [not meaning the NC] are outmatched and highly uneducated on adapting historical techniques and movements to the changing culture. The fact that bargaining agents can't make application with winning techniques by evolving them into this century is perhaps the main reason why they are fading.

YES YES YES.

I would change "the IAM" to "a lot of unions," but +1000 to the above.

Unions that continue to adhere to top-down hierarchical structures are slowly writing their own obituaries.

Those that are adapting to the changing (changed) climate will thrive going forward.

Like I keep saying, the rank and file across America has been ready for change for awhile. Union leaders need to either get onboard, or get out of the way.

 

[psa8979]

What do you Brothers and Sisters think will happen with F/S IAM/TWU LCC/AMR if our B/S at LCC D-142 make the mistake of voting IBT ? IMO. Game changer for F/S.

 

[cltrat]

expand expand expand. I'll be in a class 1 station [either PHL or CLT shortly]

if you get here you should go to catering ,you and Roa can work the same truck. lmao

 

[rockit2]

The power of the committee starts on the floor, not in the room across the table.

The pilots took out full page ads about fuel school didnt do a thing, the IAM did informational picketing, didnt do a thing.

The pubic only cares about ontime and cheap fares, they think all the airline employees are overpaid and jet set all over the world on their days off.

I am not a big fan of you, but I do agree with the statement about on time...... it's public, not pubic( like the hairs on your balls). Until fleet service wakes up and finds out they can control the on time performance of this company, they have no leverage. Fleet can make or break the government stats and that's what drives management other than missed bags. It's the only fighting tool we have, work by their rules and if they want you to break those rules , call the faa hotline and give names and station address

 

[700UW]

You need to remove the Slow Down from your post, Ask Tim about what happened to him with those comments.

You cannot advocate a slowdown, you can advocate a work safe, or work by the book.

 

[rockit2]

You need to remove the Slow Down from your post, Ask Tim about what happened to him with those comments.

You cannot advocate a slowdown, you can advocate a work safe, or work by the book.

Advice taken and thank you very much.

 

[psa8979]

The problem any UNION has, is having MEMBERS who do not believe in SOLIDARITY . We all no them in our work groups/stations they become APATHETIC. They will do what the company wants until their backs are turned. The company (LCC) then has a policy of BLAME and REWARD. They BLAME the UNION and REWARD the Apathetic Company Leaning Member/ACLM. ALL of the UNIONS who have to negotiate with AIRLINES under the NMB RULES have and will continue to have this problem with ACLM ! Contracts now ! Contracts for ALL !

 

[freedom]

I'd just like to mention that the problem with the pilots full page AD and informal picketing is that neither activity truly reaches out to the public ... it's not that the public thinks we're overpaid and we jet set the world , the public barely even knows we exist so they think NOTHING of us ... we can in fact get them to think anything we want of us , yes there's the negative stereotype that baggage handlers are thieves , but that can now be pushed off to the much more unpopular TSA ...

When you put a full sized AD in the paper you want the person reading it to CARE , they won't care simply because your having labor issues , you've got to find a HOOK , be it political, economic or social that pushes a button , then relate it to your own struggle and thereby get that reader on your side .

 

[Tim Nelson]

What do you Brothers and Sisters think will happen with F/S IAM/TWU LCC/AMR if our B/S at LCC D-142 make the mistake of voting IBT ? IMO. Game changer for F/S.

nah, no game changer. It was pretty much like two different unions anyways.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Amr announced it is in talks with ebraer for 76 seat planes. The fleet service contract scope is based on 69 seat jets. That language must not be given up or we will be losing scope

 

[737823]

Tim,
My feeling is the E75/CR9 will backfill the S80 and US 734 retirements at new AA. This could end up being very similar on the UA 733 and 735 retirements in 2009, all the flying went to UAX and many stations (MHT, MIA, etc) were transitioned to Express.

Josh