August/September 2013 Fleet Discussion

[Kev3188]

I tried to convince Tommy Reagan that he should change his DL campaign but he blew that campaign up and just didn't listen. I still can hear him saying 'we got the ramp in the bag' but customer service will be tough. His flight simulator campaign was another disaster. Tommy's plan was to use the GLR's and AGC's and blitz ATL and I warned him against it. He just didn't listen. He's a nice guy but once he gets his laptop out and pulls out all of his charts he gets mesmerized. He does the same thing in negotiations. He starts believing some really dopey things. The AGC's were giving great reports every Friday after they intoxicated themselves throughout the week at the Irish pub on Virginia avenue. Tommy was even concerned about that but he continued to believe their reports. But they agreed to leave MSP alone for the most part and just circled all of those members as yes votes. When Tommy didn't handle Gordon's blow up over some money that was suppose to be won over some grievance award, but instead tried to bull crap and buy time, IMO, many in MSP ended up getting resentful and abstained from voting. Maybe not, I can't tell, but that's my opinion.

If ever there was a case of not knowing your target audience, the ramp campaign at DL was it...

The "we got this" mindset was a disaster from the start. Also, as the campaign wore on, the materials they began to put out became increasingly ridiculous. Some of them were so off the mark that I wouldn't distribute them.

I'm not sure which grievance you're referring to? The only large-scale monetary settlement during that time was w/r/t to Exhibit J in our CBA. That language was a quid pro quo $13 million dollar payout to the membership due in Dec. of 2010 in return for agreeing to go to a 10 yr. payscale for people hired after the CBA went into effect.

Stop the bleeding; Start the healing! Protect the work first and foremost.

+1000

 

[Tim Nelson]

The Reality of the Situation is that the Industry Has Changed.

US AIRWAYS netted over one billion in ancillary fees just last year. The industry, as a whole made $27.1 billion in ancillary fees, which is over double the fees of $13.5 billion in 2009.

The industry's economic climate has been upgraded. The IATA just upped the net profits for the industry to $12.7 billion for this year. And close to $20 billion in 2013.

For the year, 2012, The most profitable carriers were:
Delta: $1.18 Billion
US AIRWAYS: $703 million
Southwest: $431 million

Bankrupt AMR lost ($1.9 Billion)

Yet, who does Parker give pay raises to? AMR members.

Given the above, that's all you need to know that your leverage is great. You are negotiating against a company that just threw more money at an AMR bankrupt carrier and contract. Made almost twice the amount of profits as Southwest {Yes, your hard work kicked Southwest' arse), and has said the merger of the two airlines should see a synergy increase of over $2 billion more dollars.

If the NC can't come back with a TA that is far far superior than the bankrupt one at AMR, then it should just hold off from signing anything, including helping hands or fence agreements. Forget the synergies, and forget the merger, if a fair contract with dignity and respect can't be signed.

regards,

 

[john john]

Also the work came back to the US on their giveback date, but at 500 jobs less.

All passengers’ service res jobs and baggage call centers jobs are done in house all jobs came back in house with all agents being offered a job.

 

[700UW]

I have all ready proven this a long time ago, more jobs were lost than brought back in.

400 jobs came back, but 830 were lost.

Net loss of 430 jobs.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I have all ready proven this a long time ago, more jobs were lost than brought back in.

400 jobs came back, but 830 were lost.

Net loss of 430 jobs.

Can't you just say, "Thanks John John" for making sure all work at US AIRWAYS with his group is protected?

What the hell is wrong with you? Get a grip of yourself! Do you have an IAM tattoo on your arse?

Heck, US AIRWAYS fleet had 82 stations in 1999, all on the last page of the contract. Now, only 10 stations in class one left. If not for the merger of America West, there would only be about 3,000 of the 8,600 1999 employees left. As it stands, the IAM went from 8,600 down to about 5,000. Then the merger brought it back up to about 7,500, and now it is back down to 5,900. And technology has nothing to do with it as upstairs does. The IAM has blowed bigtime. Everybody knows it.

The US AIRWAYS fleet are stuck with them so might as well make it the best they can and keep them accountable nonetheless.

regards

 

[700UW]

Ask the 830 that were laid off and only 400 jobs came back.

 

[blue collar]

Ask the 830 that were laid off and only 400 jobs came back.

And I'm sure IAM had more that net 430 without jobs. What's your point?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Ask the 830 that were laid off and only 400 jobs came back.

I don't have to ask anyone. Technology cut some jobs. It happens. The facts that YOU fail to realize is that no matter what airport US AIRWAYS flies into, CWA work the passenger service. CWA do ALL res jobs.
NOTHING is contracted out at ANY airport. That is called, doing it's J.O.B.

What chaps my arse is that there are only a couple dozen stations where IAM Fleet work. Thanks 700/IAM!

 

[700UW]

That would be 33, not 24 and its more than AA and UA.

 

[737823]

That would be 33, not 24 and its more than AA and UA.

Just wait til the IAM negotiates down to CLT, DCA, PHL, and PHX just like they did at UA.

Josh

 

[700UW]

UA has 25 I believe.

 

[P. REZ]

I don't have to ask anyone. Technology cut some jobs. It happens. The facts that YOU fail to realize is that no matter what airport US AIRWAYS flies into, CWA work the passenger service. CWA do ALL res jobs.
NOTHING is contracted out at ANY airport. That is called, doing it's J.O.B.

What chaps my arse is that there are only a couple dozen stations where IAM Fleet work. Thanks 700/IAM!

Tim,

Let's compare apples to apples, CWA hasn't done a better job protecting work than the IAM, the Company has attacked our work over their work.

P. Rez

 

[john john]

Tim,

Let's compare apples to apples, CWA hasn't done a better job protecting work than the IAM, the Company has attacked our work over their work.

P. Rez

http://www.thefreeli...ke.-a0125572458
Agents at USAirways voted in favor of allowing the union's president to call a strike if the airline voided the union's contract.
The agents put their job on the line to get what they have.
This move changed the tone of US Airways canceling the union's contract through the bankruptcy courts.
http://web.archive.o...http://cwa.net/

 

[700UW]

You do realize you cant strike when your contract is abrogated, courts have ruled on this issue.

And Gerry Glass wasnt scared nor intimidated by the CWA, the only person Glass was in fear of was AFA MEC President Teddy Xidas.

The CWA met the company's ask, all they did was rearrange the chairs on deck, each union was given a target by the company, as long as it was met, the company didnt care what was given back.

 

[john john]

And that ruling needs to be challenged by all unions involved with the NBM
http://usatoday30.us...wa-strike_x.htm

http://web.archive.org/web/20040810085503/http://cwa.net/jumppages/JUNE22MEETINGjump.asp
CWA’ers told management the magnitude of the cuts being demanded of passenger service employees is phenomenal –
http://web.archive.org/web/20041030113039/www.cwa.net/PDFs/Management10-22-04proposal.pdf
This is the demand that CWA fought off