August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[flyingskier]

East Bid 14-01 was published today. One month bid for Feb 2014.

Highlights

49 New Hires

22 W/B CAP Vacancies in CLT

26 W/B F/O Vacancies in CLT

15 320 CAP Vacancies in CLT

3 320 CAP Vacancies in DCA

9 W/B CAP Vacancies in PHL

9 320 CAP Vacancies in PHL


11 73 CAP Reductions in CLT


Skier

 

[Claxon]

Nah, they have access to the transcripts as everyone else. If you can't read, there is the Bradford deposition video............

10/17/2013 Transcript_of_Hearing
10/20/2013 David Ciabattoni Deposition - for USAPA
10/20/2013 Dean Colello Deposition - for USAPA
10/20/2013 Gary Hummel Deposition - for USAPA
10/20/2013 Jay Morgan Deposition - for USAPA
10/20/2013 John Owens Deposition - for USAPA
10/20/2013 Paul DiOrio Deposition - for USAPA
10/20/2013 Robert Streble Deposition - for USAPA
10/20/2013 Stephen Bradford Deposition - for USAPA
10/20/2013 Steven Crimi Deposition - for USAPA
10/20/2013 Jess Pauley Deposition - for USAPA
10/21/2013 Doc_235_Order
10/22/2013 Transcript_DFR_2_Trial_Day_1
10/23/2013 Transcript_DFR_2_Trial_Day_2
10/23/2013 Steve_Bradford_Video_Deposition_Part_One - Day 2 of Trial
10/23/2013 Steve_Bradford_Video_Deposition_Part_Two - Day 2 of Trial
10/23/2013 Doc_244_ME_for_proceedings
10/23/2013 Doc_247_usapa_Notice_of_Transcript_Designations
10/23/2013 Doc_248_Plaintiffs'_Designated_Depo_and_Exh_List

There is an abridged version of the same subject matter if you do not have time to read the above offering.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5b/War_and_Peace-_1796-1815.jpg

 

[Claxon]

Thanks, I am loved and revered by all, East and West.

Just ask my pals luvthe9 and Claxon.

True Traitor. Jesus loves you. Everyone else thinks you, Res, and Metroyet are A$$holes.

 

[CallawayGolf]

Oh, if you claim to support the MOU as ratified then accept my deepest apologies. if you renounce your affirmation of the MOU as written and only plan to affirm it if it becomes effective, well then what did your vote mean?

I'm confused as to what you think I did or didn't do or say. I did say and do support the MOU as ratified. It's terms apply to all pilots regardless of their votes upon its commencement. If a federal court requires the modification of the terms in order for the MOU itself to be in full compliance with federal statutes covering its scope, then those modification should be abided by and the terms that were disallowed by the court should not be abided by. If that means the NIC, no problem then just use the NIC. If it means a clean slate going into M/B arbitration with 2 or 3 parties, then take a clean slate into the M/B process.

If the M/B arbitration panel looks upon USAPA's actions with contempt and disgust with how they have abused and adulterated their own profession by disregarding the terms of a binding arbitration agreement, then so be it. If they think USAPA is pure and clean as the wind-driven snow, and give them everything they ask for, then so be that too. Whatever the outcome is what should be abided by, so long as it is legally enforceable.

 

[Phoenix]

I did say and do support the MOU as ratified.

That's very admirable.

 

[nycbusdriver]

If the merger tanks, you'll never see an improved pay rate or contract. Ever. Congratulations USAPA, you obliterated thousands of careers. Where 2 BK's tried and failed, you succeeded.

Welcome aboard!

 

[nycbusdriver]

How many brain cells have you killed trying to change a still birth union?

...and how many greenbacks killed in that attempt?

 

[snapthis]

Bradford's deposition sure stirred up a hornets nest. I wonder why..........

Excerpts:
25· · · ·Q.· ·I'm going to show you, Mr. Bradford, and
·1· this may be our last document, what I've identified
·2· as Exhibit 1062, e-mail from you to Mr. Pauley and
·3· others, April 25, 2013.
·4· · · · · · Did you write this e-mail?
·5· · · ·A.· ·Apparently so, yes.
·6· · · ·Q.· ·You write in the first paragraph, Jess,
·7· Jess raised the question of the dismissal of the
·8· pled, P-L-E-D, preliminary injunction in Addington I.
·9· Here is that decision.· In Addington II, Roman
10· numeral two, the court dismissed the company because
11· they were not in cohorts with USAPA.
12· · · · · · Then you continue to write, here the union
13· and the company are in concert.· We have agreed to a
14· new seniority process that does not include the
15· Nicolau award.
16· · · · · · What did you mean by that?
17· · · ·A.· ·We've just -- just what it says.· We
18· have -- the company and the union and APA and the
19· parties to the MOU have agreed on a new process for
20· seniority that is not tied to the old transition
21· agreement.
22· · · ·Q.· ·It does not include the Nicolau?
23· · · ·A.· ·It -- it -- that could be a misstatement.
24· It includes a new process.· If the board wants the
25· Nic, they could have the Nic.
·1· · · ·Q.· ·But that didn't -- that's not what you
·2· wrote.· You -- you wrote you're in cohorts -- cohorts
·3· with the --
·4· · · · · · MS. AXEL:· Cahoots.
·5· · · ·Q.· ·-- cahoots with the company, Airways,
·6· because you agreed to a new seniority process that
·7· does not include the Nicolau.
·8· · · ·A.· ·We factored --
·9· · · ·Q.· ·Those were your -- those are your words --
10· · · ·A.· ·No, the words are --
11· · · ·Q.· ·No, let me -- let me, let me.· Those are
12· your words and your e-mail on April 25, 2013,
13· correct?
14· · · ·A.· ·Incorrect.
15· · · ·Q.· ·Why?
16· · · ·A.· ·We're not in cahoots with the company,
17· we've acted in concert with the company.
18· · · ·Q.· ·Concert.
19· · · · · · What's the difference?
20· · · ·A.· ·We sat at the table, negotiated, arrived
21· at an MOU with all the parties which provides for a
22· new seniority process.
23· · · ·Q.· ·And you still believe that?
24· · · ·A.· ·Yes.· And that process --
25· · · ·Q.· ·That does not include the Nicolau?
·1· · · ·A.· ·Well, it's neutral on its terms.
·2· · · ·Q.· ·You say it eliminated the -- the
·3· requirement to use the -- the Nicolau.· So how can
·4· that be neutral?
·5· · · ·A.· ·Because the Nicolau award or date of hire
·6· or any other seniority solution and outcome does
·7· not appear in the document.
·8· · · ·Q.· ·Just because it doesn't appear, it's
·9· neutral?
10· · · ·A.· ·Yes.
11· · · ·Q.· ·But the effect of it is -- from your point
12· of view is to take away the requirement to use the
13· Nicolau?
14· · · ·A.· ·Yes, the transition agreement has been
15· amended, that is correct.
16· · · ·Q.· ·All right.· And to set up a process where
17· the majority is going to rule what's presented to the
18· McCaskill-Bond committee?
19· · · ·A.· ·Without any negotiation, yes.

 

[CallawayGolf]

That's very admirable.

Honoring contractual agreements should be the normal state, not the exception. Wouldn't you agree?

 

[Claxon]

" The TWU, IAM, and American eventually arbitrated before Arbitrator Kasher. The arbitration award provided that: (1) at certain TWA hubs, TWA employees were permitted to exercise their full TWA seniority, (2) at a city/station where TWA's ASM contribution was less than 10 percent compared to combined TWA and American ASMs, TWA employees will be awarded 25 percent of their seniority, and (3) for all others, TWA employees would receive an April 10, 2001 seniority date."

Do not worry west pilots, American Pilots have your best interests in mind.

http://www.mondaq.com/unitedstates/x/164186/Aviation/Seniority+Integration+And+The+MccaskillBond+Statute

 

[nycbusdriver]

2005-2006 US Airways, United in merger talks

Merger talks with United occurred in 2000-2001, and again in 2008 (when it was deteremined we were the "ugly girl at the dance.")

There was a code share with UAL started in 2003.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Just ask my pals luvthe9 and Claxon.

I feel slighted by not making the cut. I revere you just as much as luvth9 and Claxon.

 

[EastUS1]

Obi stringent rifleman bombard tetrameter ...

I was basically Ok with all this, right up 'till you're calling for some stringent Jedi rifleman to bombard a poor, defenseless tetrameter. A man's gotta' draw the line somewhere, after all.

 

[traderjake]

I feel slighted by not making the cut. I revere you just as much as luvth9 and Claxon.

I didn't forget you, I just thought those on the lunatic fringe better made the point.

We're all pals.

 

[Reed Richards]

Crimi told the CLT pilots he got a type at Freedom, but never flew revenue. Here is what he said under oath:



15· · · ·Q.· ·Did you ever work for an airline called

16· Freedom Air?

17· · · ·A.· ·Yes.

18· · · ·Q.· ·And how long did you work for Freedom Air?

19· · · ·A.· ·About five months, I think.

20· · · ·Q.· ·And was that in the time period that you

21· were furloughed from US Airways?

22· · · ·A.· ·Yes.· But I thought you were asking about

23· this furlough when I was working for PSA.· I was

24· furloughed also in 1997 and 1991.

25· · · ·Q.· ·Okay.· How long were you furloughed in

·1· 1997?

·2· · · ·A.· ·Five-and-a-half months.

·3· · · ·Q.· ·And what about 1991?

·4· · · ·A.· ·About 14 months.

·5· · · ·Q.· ·And when -- when was it that you worked for

·6· Freedom Air?

·7· · · ·A.· ·I believe it was January of 2003 to May

·8· of 2003.· But I would not swear to that.

·9· · · ·Q.· ·So that was the 2001 furlough then, the

10· most recent furlough, correct?

11· · · ·A.· ·Yes, actually it was 2002.

12· · · ·Q.· ·Okay.

13· · · ·A.· ·I believe I was furloughed in November of

14· 2002.· But I might be mistaken.

15· · · ·Q.· ·So while -- I think you told me that you

16· worked for only PSA during those four years and eight

17· months that you were furloughed, but that's

18· incorrect?

19· · · ·A.· ·I'm sorry, that is incorrect.· I was

20· thinking that was a different furlough, and yes,

21· you weren't asking about that, you were just asking

22· about this latest furlough.

23· · · ·Q.· ·So during this latest furlough you worked

24· for PSA and for Freedom Air?

25· · · ·A.· ·Yes.

·1· · · ·Q.· ·And what was Freedom Air?

·2· · · ·A.· ·It was an express carrier owned by Mesa

·3· group, I believe, flying for America West.

·4· · · ·Q.· ·Okay.· And that was a non-unionized

·5· airline, correct?

·6· · · ·A.· ·Yes.

·7· · · ·Q.· ·Okay.· And I believe that ALPA had put out

·8· a notice to pilots to not go fly for them, correct?

·9· · · ·A.· ·They did, yes.

10· · · ·Q.· ·And you went and flew for them anyway?

11· · · ·A.· ·Yes.

12· · · ·Q.· ·Okay.· Why was that?

13· · · ·A.· ·Because they had no legal right to say

14· that.

15· · · ·Q.· ·Okay.· And even though you went and flew

16· for this non-unionized air, you now are a union

17· representative for US Airways, correct?

18· · · ·A.· ·That's correct.

19· · · ·Q.· ·I think we're done.

20· · · · · · MR. SZYMANSKI:· Thank you very much.

21· · · · · · · · · · · · · ·(TIME NOTED:· 12:22 p.m.)

22· · · · · · · · · · · · · ·(SIGNATURE RESERVED.)