At Your Next TWU Local Union Meeting...

[PhatSappy]

At your next local union meeting, please introduce and second the following for a vote at the following meeting:

- WE THE MEMBERS OF TWU LOCAL "___" HEREBY DIRECT OUR TWU NEGOTIATORS TO DEMAND THE FOLLOWING ITEMS IN OUR CONTRACT WITH AMERICAN AIRLINES;

1. A $10.00 (ten dollars) Per Hour Line Premium; and,

2. A "Five and Five" retirement option for the top 1500 Title 1 employees.

 

[Tex-Mech]

At your next local union meeting, please introduce and second the following for a vote at the following meeting:

- WE THE MEMBERS OF TWU LOCAL "___" HEREBY DIRECT OUR TWU NEGOTIATORS TO DEMAND THE FOLLOWING ITEMS IN OUR CONTRACT WITH AMERICAN AIRLINES;

1. A $10.00 (ten dollars) Per Hour Line Premium; and,

2. A "Five and Five" retirement option for the top 1500 Title 1 employees.

I'll do the same at AFW, but for a $10.01 per hour overhaul premium.

You actually believe that with the financial package already put across the table, the union is going to take it off the table in order to change the line premium to $10 and hour. A move like that will have negotiation frozen for a while. And you do expect overhaul to strike for a $10 premium for the line?

You also believe that the company will be willing to entertain a early buyout when according to Bob Owens they are having a hard time getting recalls or new hires. So why limit to the buyout to the top 1,500, why not everyone? Are you at 1499 and want to make sure it gets to you, and could careless about anyone below you?

 

[odie01]

At your next local union meeting, please introduce and second the following for a vote at the following meeting:

- WE THE MEMBERS OF TWU LOCAL "___" HEREBY DIRECT OUR TWU NEGOTIATORS TO DEMAND THE FOLLOWING ITEMS IN OUR CONTRACT WITH AMERICAN AIRLINES;

1. A $10.00 (ten dollars) Per Hour Line Premium; and,

2. A "Five and Five" retirement option for the top 1500 Title 1 employees.

Hey Phat,
If for some strange reason we get our 2001 contract back with retro are you going to vote NO, because you feel you are being shortchanged 10 bucks?

 

[TWU informer]

Do you fools honestly think that if you had that kind of control over the union affairs that we would be represnted by the most docile union on the planet? This thread makes it sound as if the membership is the problem, I say your full of ####

We are surronded by feakin idiots.

 

[DallasConehead]

Do you fools honestly think that if you had that kind of control over the union affairs that we would be represnted by the most docile union on the planet? This thread makes it sound as if the membership is the problem, I say your full of ####

We are surronded by feakin idiots.

X2

 

[700UW]

And you will be ruled out of order and nothing done and nothing accomplished.

 

[Bob Owens]

You also believe that the company will be willing to entertain a early buyout when according to Bob Owens they are having a hard time getting recalls or new hires.

The company would not even entertain giving the line guys the VBR (yet another example of the Union giving AA whatever they want and allowing the company to offer an early out not by seniority but by where they wanted to reduce headcount).

They were looking to add 900 heads to M&R this year, initiatives that they planned to start in January have been pushed back to at least June and 757s are running out of time. The idea of forcing upgrades to the line turned out to be a fiasco but I guess the company is happy that they got the union to buy off on lowering standards.

 

[furp]

Don't foget to demand a winning lottery ticket and a Buick like Jim Little's too!! And a pony with spots .........and......and...............

 

[Deleted member 14439]

The company would not even entertain giving the line guys the VBR (yet another example of the Union giving AA whatever they want and allowing the company to offer an early out not by seniority but by where they wanted to reduce headcount).

They were looking to add 900 heads to M&R this year, initiatives that they planned to start in January have been pushed back to at least June and 757s are running out of time. The idea of forcing upgrades to the line turned out to be a fiasco but I guess the company is happy that they got the union to buy off on lowering standards.

FYI Bob, the flood of upgrades at AFW is proving to be a "challenge" as well. One recent question from an upgrade..." whats a bulk cargo?" More later, we are going Racin`

 

[Bob Owens]

FYI Bob, the flood of upgrades at AFW is proving to be a "challenge" as well. One recent question from an upgrade..." whats a bulk cargo?" More later, we are going Racin`

Well everybody has to learn and I'd rather they ask than be afraid of revealing what they dont know.

What we should be taking away from this is the value that we add to AA, we tend to devalue ourselves and think we can be easily replaced, even five years ago it wasnt "easy" for NWA to do what they did, now I dont think its possible. So many have permanently left the industry and not too many are coming in anymore. The airlines did a good job at making the career unattractive, I just hope we are smart enough to capitalize on it before they rehash FAR66.

 

[OldBubba]

Do you fools honestly think that if you had that kind of control over the union affairs that we would be represnted by the most docile union on the planet? This thread makes it sound as if the membership is the problem, I say your full of ####

We are surronded by feakin idiots.

X3

 

[strikeforce]

Do you fools honestly think that if you had that kind of control over the union affairs that we would be represnted by the most docile union on the planet? This thread makes it sound as if the membership is the problem, I say your full of ####

We are surronded by feakin idiots.

And the company knows "We are surrounded by freakin idiots".....and that's why AA can get away with the stall tactics, and games during negotiations. And unless someone grabs the negotiating "BULL" by the horns, we idiots are going to wait a long time before we get anything decent from this company. Bottom line......we love pointing fingers, but I don't see anyone stepping up to the plate and formulating a game plan to bring AA to the table and negotiate in GOOD faith.

 

[lineguy43]

Well everybody has to learn and I'd rather they ask than be afraid of revealing what they dont know.

What we should be taking away from this is the value that we add to AA, we tend to devalue ourselves and think we can be easily replaced, even five years ago it wasnt "easy" for NWA to do what they did, now I dont think its possible. So many have permanently left the industry and not too many are coming in anymore. The airlines did a good job at making the career unattractive, I just hope we are smart enough to capitalize on it before they rehash FAR66.

You won't see that again Bob.. NW went to the extreme because AMFA totally dumbfounded management there. They were used to their company lapdog union the IAM there. They had to deal with ALPA but AMFA was too militant for them. We had them over a barrel in 2001 (pre 9/11) thats why I enjoyed a 13 dollar an hr raise and my retirement more than doubled in our very first contract. But we did all our work in house at the time and NW was ill prepared for a MX strike in 2001. But they spent a fortune recruiting mechanics and pulled out all the stops to bust AMFA in 2005 and I dare to say with the help of other airlines as well as UAL and FX and all the others who were all in the trenches trying to get AMFA on board..No other airline wanted that they wanted to keep their lapdog unions like the IAM and TWU. I can honestly say the TWU will NEVER get to the point of impasse and if they do it will never get to a strike situation. AA will never have the need to try to recruit scabs as long as their favorite lapdog union is there.

 

[Hopeful]

I can honestly say the TWU will NEVER get to the point of impasse and if they do it will never get to a strike situation. AA will never have the need to try to recruit scabs as long as their favorite lapdog union is there.

Sadly, I must agree.

 

[Bob Owens]

You won't see that again Bob.. NW went to the extreme because AMFA totally dumbfounded management there. They were used to their company lapdog union the IAM there. They had to deal with ALPA but AMFA was too militant for them. We had them over a barrel in 2001 (pre 9/11) thats why I enjoyed a 13 dollar an hr raise and my retirement more than doubled in our very first contract. But we did all our work in house at the time and NW was ill prepared for a MX strike in 2001. But they spent a fortune recruiting mechanics and pulled out all the stops to bust AMFA in 2005 and I dare to say with the help of other airlines as well as UAL and FX and all the others who were all in the trenches trying to get AMFA on board..No other airline wanted that they wanted to keep their lapdog unions like the IAM and TWU. I can honestly say the TWU will NEVER get to the point of impasse and if they do it will never get to a strike situation. AA will never have the need to try to recruit scabs as long as their favorite lapdog union is there.

I agree that we wont see that again because I dont think that they are out there. Sure there may be a few hundred or so but lets look at the timeframe of the NWA/AMFA struggle. By 2003 most of the carriers had reorganized and shed thousands of workers. Mechanics, because many shed OH, were disproportionately hit so there was a huge supply of mechanics out there, still NWA struggled to get 1200 or so. many had landed jobs they really didnt like while others despite the fact that they were at their new jobs less than two or so years had already surpassed what the industry had to offer. Well that supply of recently laid off mechanics is gone, most who left have a few years at their new employer and have no intentions on coming back and the output of the schools isnt enough to satisfy attrition, the FAA is only issueing around 3000 A&Ps a year(6000 Mechanic certs), that has to satisfy the entire Aviation Industry, not just Commercial Aviation. Compare that to the number of Commercial Pilots and AirlineTransport certs issued, 14,463, total number of Pilots Licenses issued was 93,861(2009). As of 2008 there were over 235,000 registered aircraft in the US and all of them need an A&P to sign them off. No one has been laid off in years, even though there have been several mergers. In my 30 years in Aviation never before have I seen mergers without layoffs, but we see it now. I've said before that union leaders tend to want to sit back and ride the wave instead of leading the fight, well never say never because that rare wave may be starting to build up. The members already rejected a TA that the majority of the Union leadership supported, lets see what happens over the next few months. Hopefully UAL will do the same.