Article 4 Industry Comparable Pay rate

[swamt]

And what about UPS and Fed-Ex mechs?  A mediator has ruled for our dispatchers to compare with UPS.  Company was arguing that they could because they are a package hauling carrier, and the mediator said yes, and SWA is a human lives carrier so you will use them for compare. 
 
OS, why in the world would agree to outsourcing to get the better pay??   You represent the union well keep up the great work...

 

[Overspeed]

And what about UPS and Fed-Ex mechs?  A mediator has ruled for our dispatchers to compare with UPS.  Company was arguing that they could because they are a package hauling carrier, and the mediator said yes, and SWA is a human lives carrier so you will use them for compare. 
 
OS, why in the world would agree to outsourcing to get the better pay??   You represent the union well keep up the great work...

 
I don't know why AMFA would do that.

 

[Chuck Schalk]

 
I don't know why AMFA would do that.

Overspeed,   you always cite hyperthetically what would happen if AMFA was on the property yet, you do not acknowledge what the TWU has done to us while they represent us.
Please do not make me list all the concessions

 

[Flying low]

Overspeed,   you always cite hyperthetically what would happen if AMFA was on the property yet, you do not acknowledge what the TWU has done to us while they represent us.
Please do not make me list all the concessions

Is there even enough space here to do that

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

 
You're right. You have to compare total cost of contract. Parker would gladly bring AMFA's industry leading outsourcing contract over to AA in exchange for higher pay for those that remain. It would be a big win for him to get an AMFA contract at AA.

o/s
 
I hope that you are right, That Parker will gladly let AMFA come here. I hope that AA will not add names to the list in an attempt to keep your TWU here.
 
Many of us here are hoping the same thing, since we are tired pf the TWU's concessions.
 
It will be a big win for him and us to have an AMFA contract..
 
Your TWU is just a joke that has run it's coarse.

 

[Overspeed]

Overspeed,   you always cite hyperthetically what would happen if AMFA was on the property yet, you do not acknowledge what the TWU has done to us while they represent us.
Please do not make me list all the concessions

 
And I can make a list of all the AMFA failures at UA, AS, and NW that resulted in massive job losses. The concessions on job losses made during 2003 and the BK in no add up to anything close to the dismal performance by AMFA at those airlines. My AMFA at AA hypotheticals are based the facts of those representational failures. UA dumped AMFA and DL AMTs blew them off.
 
What is happening at WN with AMFA? Haven't they been negotiating almost as long as the TWU had at AA and the IAM at US? Where is the AMFA horsepower? It doesn't exist, it's a myth.

 

[Chuck Schalk]

 
And I can make a list of all the AMFA failures at UA, AS, and NW that resulted in massive job losses. The concessions on job losses made during 2003 and the BK in no add up to anything close to the dismal performance by AMFA at those airlines. My AMFA at AA hypotheticals are based the facts of those representational failures. UA dumped AMFA and DL AMTs blew them off.
 
What is happening at WN with AMFA? Haven't they been negotiating almost as long as the TWU had at AA and the IAM at US? Where is the AMFA horsepower? It doesn't exist, it's a myth.

AMFA took on NWA and the membership supported AMFA by voting 92% to strike as they were going to lose their 50% of their jobs if they voted for it 
what does the the TWU do?  scaring or telling members to vote "YES" and voluntararily give the company everything they want and more.  Doing the companies job?
 
Our membership for twu  M&R AT AA is down 0ver 6000 jobs that is more than what AMFA went on strike for!
 
But AMFA is the weaker one?
 
I would rather stand up to the company like AMFA did than lie on my back like the TWU does while the company pounds them and ultimately us.

 

[Rogallo]

So, if and when it comes to a vote for union representation it's not going to be who I think is the best choice to represent me, but who I think is not going to suck the most at representating me!!
 
What a F'ed Up concept!!

 

[TWU informer]

 
And I can make a list of all the AMFA failures at UA, AS, and NW that resulted in massive job losses. The concessions on job losses made during 2003 and the BK in no add up to anything close to the dismal performance by AMFA at those airlines. My AMFA at AA hypotheticals are based the facts of those representational failures. UA dumped AMFA and DL AMTs blew them off.
 
What is happening at WN with AMFA? Haven't they been negotiating almost as long as the TWU had at AA and the IAM at US? Where is the AMFA horsepower? It doesn't exist, it's a myth.

Meanwhile, TWU keeps giving up concessions and claiming to save jobs in return, yet the headcount keeps going down, down, down. Is it the speed of negotiations that matters to you, the headcount, the outsource, or what? Because giving in concessions for jobs that will be lost via attrition is easy and quick negotiations. You cant see the forrest for the trees.

 

[Overspeed]

Meanwhile, TWU keeps giving up concessions and claiming to save jobs in return, yet the headcount keeps going down, down, down. Is it the speed of negotiations that matters to you, the headcount, the outsource, or what? Because giving in concessions for jobs that will be lost via attrition is easy and quick negotiations. You cant see the forrest for the trees.

 
So let's vote AMFA and get rid of all the jobs fast? You do know that even after the BK CBA AA still has more AMT jobs per aircraft and departure than any AMFA represented carrier. Every job loss on a ratio basis is one more that has been outsourced to lower wage and benefit MROs. And you believe that is better?

 

[Rogallo]

delusion
noun
1. An idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument, typically a symptom of mental disorder:

 

[TWU informer]

 
So let's vote AMFA and get rid of all the jobs fast? You do know that even after the BK CBA AA still has more AMT jobs per aircraft and departure than any AMFA represented carrier. Every job loss on a ratio basis is one more that has been outsourced to lower wage and benefit MROs. And you believe that is better?

You and your TWU are not succeeding, you choose a different path to failure, but it is not success to reduce pay and benefits. You keep lowering pay to save jobs that leave anyway via attrition and that places pressure on the entire to profession to match your concessions, which is taking everyone down with you and still not saving the jobs in the end. You are leading the pack to the bottom on a regular basis to save jobs that end up gone anyway!
 
Why not start working on a plan to stop the bleeding instead of justification of dysfuntional unionism that is failing, by pointing out the failures of others? Why does it have to be a score card of who is failing the worse? Is that Union Labor today? Well that sucks and Delta being non union has the best deal going if that is the path of labor today!

 

[iluvaa]

The company does whatever it wants anymore so really I see no point in having a union. I do my job don't need someone to protect me. There only here to keep the worthless employees employed

 

[Overspeed]

The company does whatever it wants anymore so really I see no point in having a union. I do my job don't need someone to protect me. There only here to keep the worthless employees employed

 
Now that hurts

 

[jimntx]

Unfortunately, there's a certain amount of truth in the statement--particularly, when applied to flight attendants.  There's one of ours who's been fired more than once for telling F/C passengers to go F*** themselves.  Thanks to the union and the arbitrator she still has her job.  Anyone can make a mistake, but more than once is a habit.