April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Pi brat]

WE ALWAYS HAVE FUN IN PHX. Better that than being a dried up curmudgeon that couldnt keep his word if his life dependended upon it. Entitlement! DOH! Maroon......

Really? Always? You guys often look miserable to me. A east F/A that went west and came back east said she was often treated poorly by some of your guys. Why the no-fly list? And finally, how could anyone enjoy working with EK?

 

[snapthis]

AWA's Foolish Bet:

http://usatoday30.us...-grossman_x.htm


Feel free to post links discussing America West's impending liquidation.

This would have resolved the Nic dispute before it started.

No airline, No Nic.

Problem solved.

"Of course, America West could have another agenda for US Airways – liquidation. If America West gained control of the failing airline for a mere $100 million and then sold off the assets piece by piece, they could offload debt and eliminate unprofitable routes and duplicate resources. America West could essentially "cherry pick" the most profitable routes and assets, such as the shuttle or some international routes.
American Airlines deployed a similar strategy, acquiring dying TWA several years ago in a "fire sale" only to unload most of the assets and furlough most employees. Sadly, it's a lot easier to liquidate than integrate. Yes, it's nasty business, but perhaps a more rational explanation for America West's perplexing interest.
Oddly enough, the liquidation of US Airways is the one scenario in this merger that could save America West. But integration or liquidation, US Airways' fate is sealed. The carrier will cease to exist in the long term whether the merger goes through or not."

 

[cactusboy53]

Cactusboy sends Cleardirect to CLT to report on injunction hearings. Then Cactusboy whines along with the Steve Gay chorus about failures of USAPA. Hypocrite.
Scott Kirby then responds to Cleardirect in crew news...."NO"

That's a lot of static there, Goliath. I'm glad you remain supremely confident in your DOH quest (5+ years and counting).....

 

[AWE Dog]

America West doesn't have anything that AMR needs, 2005 or 2013.

 

[snapthis]

Really? Always? You guys often look miserable to me. A east F/A that went west and came back east said she was often treated poorly by some of your guys. Why the no-fly list? And finally, how could anyone enjoy working with EK?

It's going to get even better when West check airmen go East and vice versa. It's in the works.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

This would have resolved the Nic dispute before it started.

No airline, No Nic.

Problem solved.

"Of course, America West could have another agenda for US Airways – liquidation. If America West gained control of the failing airline for a mere $100 million and then sold off the assets piece by piece, they could offload debt and eliminate unprofitable routes and duplicate resources. America West could essentially "cherry pick" the most profitable routes and assets, such as the shuttle or some international routes.
American Airlines deployed a similar strategy, acquiring dying TWA several years ago in a "fire sale" only to unload most of the assets and furlough most employees. Sadly, it's a lot easier to liquidate than integrate. Yes, it's nasty business, but perhaps a more rational explanation for America West's perplexing interest.
Oddly enough, the liquidation of US Airways is the one scenario in this merger that could save America West. But integration or liquidation, US Airways' fate is sealed. The carrier will cease to exist in the long term whether the merger goes through or not."

http://www.thestreet.com/story/11231339/1/us-airways-ceo-how-911-changed-our-airline.html

 

[snapthis]

America West doesn't have anything that AMR needs, 2005 or 2013.

What? Profitability?

 

[AWE Dog]

But it's was a fun place to work if you didn't mind Low Pay, No Retirement and no big airplanes. There was movement due to resignations to better jobs.

 

[snapthis]

http://www.thestreet.com/story/11231339/1/us-airways-ceo-how-911-changed-our-airline.html

The Street's Ted Reed. USAPA has the former US Airways mouthpiece on speed dial.

Ted Reed
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Ted Reed covers the transportation industry. He previously covered the airline industry for 20 years for publications including The Charlotte Observer, Miami Herald and Sacramento Bee. He also worked for US Airways, writing internal publications and speeches for the company's executives. He is a graduate of Wesleyan University and holds a master's in journalism from Columbia University. He is the author of Carl Furillo: Brooklyn Dodgers All-Star, the first Furillo biography.

 

[snapthis]

But it's was a fun place to work if you didn't mind Low Pay, No Retirement and no big airplanes. There was movement due to resignations to better jobs.

Yea, we heard that from the former East pilots hired prior to 2005.

Less motivated individuals were flying their model airplanes in their spare time while waiting on being called back to a non-existant job on the East.

We appreciate the former East pilots who contribute to the cause of defending seniority. Being proactive has it's benefits.

 

[Pi brat]

It's going to get even better when West check airmen go East and vice versa. It's in the works.

Are you implying that a check airman in our training department, whichever side they originated, would act in anything other than a proper and professional manner? I don't think so.

 

[snapthis]

Are you implying that a check airman in our training department, whichever side they originated, would act in anything other than a proper and professional manner? I don't think so.

No. Were you implying that West pilots are mean and unprofessional to East FA's?

 

[luvthe9]

This would have resolved the Nic dispute before it started.

No airline, No Nic.

Problem solved.

"Of course, America West could have another agenda for US Airways – liquidation. If America West gained control of the failing airline for a mere $100 million and then sold off the assets piece by piece, they could offload debt and eliminate unprofitable routes and duplicate resources. America West could essentially "cherry pick" the most profitable routes and assets, such as the shuttle or some international routes.
American Airlines deployed a similar strategy, acquiring dying TWA several years ago in a "fire sale" only to unload most of the assets and furlough most employees. Sadly, it's a lot easier to liquidate than integrate. Yes, it's nasty business, but perhaps a more rational explanation for America West's perplexing interest.
Oddly enough, the liquidation of US Airways is the one scenario in this merger that could save America West. But integration or liquidation, US Airways' fate is sealed. The carrier will cease to exist in the long term whether the merger goes through or not."

Why would a leech kill the host it feeds off? Had you liquidated the East you would be right back to where you started. A marginal hub under attack by SWA.

 

[snapthis]

Why would a leech kill the host it feeds off? Had you liquidated the East you would be right back to where you started. A marginal hub under attack by SWA.

It makes me wonder why Courtney would ever want to be based in a marginal hub? I hope he enjoys his commute.

 

[Pi brat]

No. Were you implying that West pilots are mean and unprofessional to East FA's?

Not implying, repeating what I told from someone I trust. And not "west pilots" but "some west pilots". Some east pilots treat F/As unprofessionally. You are taking me out of context. It was a response to Dandy Dave's "we ALWAYS enjoy.....", or however he put it.