April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Phoenix]

[font=Times New Roman"]“…The Arbitration Board conducts an evidentiary hearing, with witnesses, evidence and a stenographic transcript. The Board’s Opinion and Award are to be issued simultaneously, within 150 days following the PID, unless both pilot groups and ALPA’s President agree to an extension. The Merger Policy provides, “The Award of the Arbitration Board shall be final and binding on all parties to the arbitration and shall be defended by ALPA.” No ALPA seniority integration arbitration result has ever been set aside by the courts although some dissatisfied pilots have challenged the award before administrative agencies and the courts.”[/font]
US Airwaves June/July 2000
US Air Merger Committee Members: Todd Cardoza (PIT), Mike Cleary (BOS),Randy Mowery (PIT)

No one is asking a court to set it aside. whats your point..

...but someone has been begging a court to implement it.. How many years now and not one court has ever forced the company to implement it..

 

[Metroyet]

Here is all I saw in the "missive."

• Counsel were asked to consider stipulating to the facts that are relevant to the Court for determining that a violation of the Duty of Fair Representation has occurred.
• Counsel were also directed to brief the Court on what the appropriate remedy would be if the Court found a violation of the Duty of Fair Representation.

I see no explaination of what a DFR is, only a summary of what the Judge was asking for. And I surmise you don't even agree with THAT!

Greeter

Oh it's all there. Let me ask you this: if the new MOU pay rates were all voted upon...like they were...and ratified by every base but PHL...like they were, is it okay for USAPA to withhold the new, higher pay rate from the PHL pilots and split up the PHL share amongst the other bases? What if they draft a constitutional amendment to reflect that after the results of the vote were known? Would it be appropriate for the PHL reps to be forced into "negotiations" with the rest of USAPA to find a compromise to the situation? One union right? One that, by law, has to fairly represent all pilots right?

What if USAPA...used the general dues funds, (also paid for by PHL pilots) to set up a $100k ad hoc slush fund to fight the PHL pilots? What if USAPA flatly refused to provide any resources for their PHL union members to do the same even though they're certainly dues paying members. Is that fairly representing ALL pilots that ALL pay equally into an organization that is duty bound to fairly represent?

What would a Judge say about that scenario do you think?

 

[end_of_alpa]

Uhmmmm, I believe Jamie is the person that took "Hollywood License" with the PHX update. You can be assured that the PHX update was written with care, and then reviewed by USAPA legal counsel before it was published.

It sure sounds like you fellas are getting upset.

Then tell us, Dave. You refuse to move off Nicolau. Yes or no? If you're so righteous, answer the question?

 

[end_of_alpa]

Uhmmmm, I believe Jamie is the person that took "Hollywood License" with the PHX update. You can be assured that the PHX update was written with care, and then reviewed by USAPA legal counsel before it was published.

It sure sounds like you fellas are getting upset.

Here is what YOU SAID, DAVE......ONE OF THREE PHX WEST PILOT BPR REPS:

"Your Phoenix Representatives are DEDICATED TO THE SWIFT, CORRECT, AND LEGAL BINDING CONCLUSION dedicated of this unnecessary delay of our seniority integration."

They CANNOT BE ORDERED TO NEGOTIATE FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE NICOLAU AWARD.

 

[snapthis]

AwFOL is the only "monster" I see. Anti-union zealots.

Anti-pilot union is the way I see it. In the past few days, your union is busy trying to get pilots fired. Rumor has it an East pilot has been kicked to the curb as a result.

USAPA better make sure the accounting is right. I'm going to do number crunching myself. I have the right to sue. That would include small claims. USAPA has the right to collect dues, I have a right to make sure the numbers are correct and challenge those numbers.

It's a $70 filing fee to recover up to $5000 and there are about 5000 pilots.

$25 million is a lot of money.

http://www.nccourts.org/Courts/CRS/Policies/LocalRules/Documents/300.pdf

 

[prechilill]

[font=Times New Roman"]“…The Arbitration Board conducts an evidentiary hearing, with witnesses, evidence and a stenographic transcript. The Board’s Opinion and Award are to be issued simultaneously, within 150 days following the PID, unless both pilot groups and ALPA’s President agree to an extension. The Merger Policy provides, “The Award of the Arbitration Board shall be final and binding on all parties to the arbitration and shall be defended by ALPA.” No ALPA seniority integration arbitration result has ever been set aside by the courts although some dissatisfied pilots have challenged the award before administrative agencies and the courts.”[/font]
US Airwaves June/July 2000
US Air Merger Committee Members: Todd Cardoza (PIT), Mike Cleary (BOS),Randy Mowery (PIT)

It's binding unless you are a thieve from the east who doesn't like the result, then all bets are off.

 

[Benz M-100]

WTF is a "thieve" ?
Is that like an "answere"? (attn: nic4)
Or perhaps a "yoot"? (apologies to the late Fred Gwynne)

 

[cleardirect]

Here is what YOU SAID, DAVE......ONE OF THREE PHX WEST PILOT BPR REPS:

"Your Phoenix Representatives are DEDICATED TO THE SWIFT, CORRECT, AND LEGAL BINDING CONCLUSION dedicated of this unnecessary delay of our seniority integration."

They CANNOT BE ORDERED TO NEGOTIATE FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE NICOLAU AWARD.

Screaming now. Things must be going very badly for your side.

What is your problem with finding a swift, correct and legally binding solution?

Is it the swift part? The correct part or the legally binding part?

Are you so lacking of confidence in your defense that you you don't want a swift correct or legal end to separate ops and this seniority fight?

You are aware of injunction ordered by federal courts correct? You do understand that a federal court CAN order usapa to use the Nicolau list correct? Judge Wake ordered that. It was only removed because of ripeness not because he did not have the authority.

 

[snapthis]

Screaming now. Things must be going very badly for your side.

What is your problem with finding a swift, correct and legally binding solution?

Is it the swift part? The correct part or the legally binding part?

Are you so lacking of confidence in your defense that you you don't want a swift correct or legal end to separate ops and this seniority fight?

You are aware of injunction ordered by federal courts correct? You do understand that a federal court CAN order usapa to use the Nicolau list correct? Judge Wake ordered that. It was only removed because of ripeness not because he did not have the authority.

They are in full panic mode. I'd like to see them appeal small claims judgements to the 9th.

Good luck with that

 

[Claxon]

Anti-pilot union is the way I see it. In the past few days, your union is busy trying to get pilots fired. Rumor has it an East pilot has been kicked to the curb as a result.

USAPA better make sure the accounting is right. I'm going to do number crunching myself. I have the right to sue. That would include small claims. USAPA has the right to collect dues, I have a right to make sure the numbers are correct and challenge those numbers.

It's a $70 filing fee to recover up to $5000 and there are about 5000 pilots.

$25 million is a lot of money.

http://www.nccourts.org/Courts/CRS/Policies/LocalRules/Documents/300.pdf

Ask Captain Gay about his Crew News appearance. The one where he approaches Mr. Parked with his trumped "evidence" east pilots were not single engine taxiing. You should be proud of your union pilot. What do you think of Republic pilots as well in USA Today ?the safety ad.Leonidas should maintain their stance and renounce it. As well as all union west pilots(sarcasm)

 

[Claxon]

Screaming now. Things must be going very badly for your side.

What is your problem with finding a swift, correct and legally binding solution?

Is it the swift part? The correct part or the legally binding part?

Are you so lacking of confidence in your defense that you you don't want a swift correct or legal end to separate ops and this seniority fight?

You are aware of injunction ordered by federal courts correct? You do understand that a federal court CAN order usapa to use the Nicolau list correct? Judge Wake ordered that. It was only removed because of ripeness not because he did not have the authority.

Captain Gay, what is your opinion of the union safety campaign in yesterday's USA Today by Republic pilots? You have commented on this subject before. Please refresh us as to your union position.

 

[Benz M-100]

They are in full panic mode.

Ohhhh PUHLEEEEEEEZE!

...and this from one of the more reasonable west posters!
I've got news for you man: There is not a trace of angst, let alone PANIC out here.

 

[snapthis]

Ask Captain Gay about his Crew News appearance. The one where he approaches Mr. Parked with his trumped "evidence" east pilots were not single engine taxiing. You should be proud of your union pilot. What do you think of Republic pilots as well in USA Today ?the safety ad.Leonidas should maintain their stance and renounce it. As well as all union west pilots(sarcasm)

I've seen the statistics. Apparently some need additional training in fuel "skool"

Are you saying this (his) evidence was a fabrication?

 

[CaptChill]

They are in full panic mode. I'd like to see them appeal small claims judgements to the 9th.

Good luck with that

No one here is in any kind of "panic mode"...are you projecting now?

 

[luvthe9]

Ohhhh PUHLEEEEEEEZE!

...and this from one of the more reasonable west posters!
I've got news for you man: There is not a trace of angst, let alone PANIC out here.

I guess they don't realize what going on then or have accepted the fact it's over for them. A good many west pilots have figured it out .