April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Black Swan]

You guys really have no reading comprehension. Seeing monsters where there are none.

Non disclosure means just that. Your reps showed their hand, disclosing a position. Telling a group of people "We will not budge" means they are firmly holding their negotiating position, ie NOT negotiating. That was a disclosure and they are in contempt.

 

[snapthis]

Non disclosure means just that. Your reps showed their hand, disclosing a position. Telling a group of people "We will not budge" means they are firmly holding their negotiating position, ie NOT negotiating. That was a disclosure and they are in contempt.

Your union has been in contempt since day one.

Let me remind you of certain rights:

Bill of Rights - Union members have:

equal rights to participate in union activities

freedom of speech and assembly

voice in setting rates of dues, fees, and assessments

protection of the right to sue

safeguards against improper discipline

 

[Benz M-100]

I think the "we will not budge" was end of alpa's commentary rather than a quote from the reps' statement.

OTOH, I agree with end of alpa's remarks about what these statements actually mean. Did they disclose anything in a literal sense? Probably not, but reading between the lines I reach the same conclusion E of A does.

 

[cleardirect]

Non disclosure means just that. Your reps showed their hand, disclosing a position. Telling a group of people "We will not budge" means they are firmly holding their negotiating position, ie NOT negotiating. That was a disclosure and they are in contempt.

Specifically what did the west reps say that disclosed anything? Point to it.

 

[Metroyet]

AwFOL violates the Confidentiality agreement

Oh B.S. they did NOTHING of the sort.

Did you read little Stevie Bradford's missive? He still lacks the fundamental understandings of the DFR. What it means, what it looks like, and how it's done. If USAPA can be counted on for anything, it's the continual addition of damaging evidence against itself...despite all common sense.

 

[Metroyet]

Non disclosure means just that. Your reps showed their hand, disclosing a position. Telling a group of people "We will not budge" means they are firmly holding their negotiating position, ie NOT negotiating. That was a disclosure and they are in contempt.

Be my guest to actually find those words in the update. I believe you're quoting the fantasies of one of the floundering fathers of your fake union.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Did you read little Stevie Bradford's missive? He still lacks the fundamental understandings of the DFR. What it means, what it looks like, and how it's done. If USAPA can be counted on for anything, it's the continual addition of damaging evidence against itself...despite all common sense.

Here is all I saw in the "missive."

• Counsel were asked to consider stipulating to the facts that are relevant to the Court for determining that a violation of the Duty of Fair Representation has occurred.
• Counsel were also directed to brief the Court on what the appropriate remedy would be if the Court found a violation of the Duty of Fair Representation.

I see no explaination of what a DFR is, only a summary of what the Judge was asking for. And I surmise you don't even agree with THAT!

Greeter

 

[end_of_alpa]

I 100% agree with the reps statement. It is absolutely correct.

What part can you possibly disagree with?

Do you not want a swift correct and legally binding decision

Would we all be money ahead if we had gotten a contract 5 years ago? Does this MOU or would usapa without the merger been able to get a contract big enough to make up for the loss of 5 years of pay and benefits? Did usapa trying to avoid arbitration and divide this pilot group advance or set back labor as a whole?

What part of the reps statement is untrue?

Nicolau or nothing. It's what they have done or continue to do.

 

[cactusboy53]

A DoH list makes perfect sense. All LCC groups have merged with it. High time for the west div pilots to adhere to good union principles. Nicolau is a scheme, unfair and a windfall.
Traitor jake will continue to be the outlier. He seems to delight in seeing his fellow workers harmed.

[font=Times New Roman"]“…The Arbitration Board conducts an evidentiary hearing, with witnesses, evidence and a stenographic transcript. The Board’s Opinion and Award are to be issued simultaneously, within 150 days following the PID, unless both pilot groups and ALPA’s President agree to an extension. The Merger Policy provides, “The Award of the Arbitration Board shall be final and binding on all parties to the arbitration and shall be defended by ALPA.” No ALPA seniority integration arbitration result has ever been set aside by the courts although some dissatisfied pilots have challenged the award before administrative agencies and the courts.”[/font]
US Airwaves June/July 2000
US Air Merger Committee Members: Todd Cardoza (PIT), Mike Cleary (BOS),Randy Mowery (PIT)

 

[end_of_alpa]

You truly are a nut.

There was nothing disclosed in that statement. Resolutions and votes are not closed.

Usapa is bound by the court recommendation.

Reserving comment is complying with the NDA.

Will usapa budge? Will usapa move from DOH/LOS? You are implying something from the west message what do you get from usapa?

They have NO legal basis to move otherwise. The Judge can't order us to vote for anything.

 

[end_of_alpa]

You guys really have no reading comprehension. Seeing monsters where there are none.

AwFOL is the only "monster" I see. Anti-union zealots.

 

[cleardirect]

Better read little Stevie Bradford's update is you are concerned about violating the NDA.

 

[end_of_alpa]

I think the "we will not budge" was end of alpa's commentary rather than a quote from the reps' statement.

OTOH, I agree with end of alpa's remarks about what these statements actually mean. Did they disclose anything in a literal sense? Probably not, but reading between the lines I reach the same conclusion E of A does.

That was my EXACT POINT. For the reading impaired, I was reading the essence of the PHX update: "WE (PHX) WILL NOT BUDGE!" That is EXACTLY where all your dues dollars are going here, and our NEW PRESIDENT will not reveal the truth....the self evident TRUTH of it: "WE (PHX) WILL NOT BUDGE!".

 

[end_of_alpa]

[font=Times New Roman"]“…The Arbitration Board conducts an evidentiary hearing, with witnesses, evidence and a stenographic transcript. The Board’s Opinion and Award are to be issued simultaneously, within 150 days following the PID, unless both pilot groups and ALPA’s President agree to an extension. The Merger Policy provides, “The Award of the Arbitration Board shall be final and binding on all parties to the arbitration and shall be defended by ALPA.” No ALPA seniority integration arbitration result has ever been set aside by the courts although some dissatisfied pilots have challenged the award before administrative agencies and the courts.”[/font]
US Airwaves June/July 2000
US Air Merger Committee Members: Todd Cardoza (PIT), Mike Cleary (BOS),Randy Mowery (PIT)

Thanks, Dave. Here it is from the leadership of the PHX reps: "WE WILL NOT BUDGE!" WE WILL FIRMLY STAND OUR GROUND, JUDGE SILVER.

 

[cactusboy53]

So much for no disclosure from the PHX reps. " we will not budge" is a clear statement of their discussion. Or lack thereof. Any party making a statement like that after signing a non disclosure document has violated it.

Uhmmmm, I believe Jamie is the person that took "Hollywood License" with the PHX update. You can be assured that the PHX update was written with care, and then reviewed by USAPA legal counsel before it was published.

It sure sounds like you fellas are getting upset.