April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion

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Your boy Wake got a spanking he will never forget. Judge Silver better get schooled quickly, or she will get reminded. The rest of the legal universe does not operate like the Arizona circus where amateurs like Wake and Harper operate. The rest of the citizens of this country expect more of their judges. And get it.

Here we go. Biased judges can't get a fair shake. Poor east pilots can't find a court in the country that we agree you other than the ninth on a technicality.

No more delay. The money men want this over.

 

[mrbreeze]

If the case isn't ripe then why are we negotiating away from DOH? If the case isn't ripe then why not dismiss? You actually think we are going through weeks of compromising off your DOH intransigence just to have Silver dismiss the case later? Seriously, that's what you're thinking?

For the same reason we are negotiating away from the NIC.......Sliver ordered it....that's all.

Unfortunately, she probably doesn't have the authority to do that and it will end up with the 9th again because she is trying to be helpful and solve the problem, but doesn't understand the law involved.

breeze

 

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Pre,
What 2 judges? Wake was dismissed and who is the other?

The rest of your lineup is only involved for the big bucks......they couldn't care less about who's right and who's wrong. Silver's lack of understanding is allowing the different parties to try and influence how the case is rolling along.

In the end, all this BS will not matter. As pilots involved, we just have to hope that they don't screw it up too badly with all their interjections, which just prolong the case. We all need for this to be settled in the best way that serves the pilots, as a whole.
breeze

I know how about an arbitration and let a neutral decide.

Either the first one Nicolau or a second one baseball style. Two choices. The arbitrated list or the invented usapa list.

 

[mrbreeze]

Why is it you guys all admit that you are going to lose in the district court? Can't you win a single case the first time?

The ninth is not going to delay your spanking this time.

I never said that we will lose in district court. I said that it is a crap shoot for us all and that the big money doesn't care at all about the pilot group.
breeze

 

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Silver never said it is ripe, in fact she says the NIC is not required.
Layne didn't want anything to do with the BS case on our seniority and sent it back to AZ.

Parties involved, yes, agreed.

AMR and USAir are just stating ripe because it is their easiest and quickest way out of the mess without being held liable. That is why Seigal is trying to influence the court......to get on down the road without any liability in the future. Now, if you believe after all this that they have your best interest in hand, I have a '63 Dodge 330 for sale that you would love.

Honestly, you should be able to look at all the different angles and see for yourself that it's all about the big money......definitely not about little ole me and you, pal.

breeze

What does the big money want? Does big money usually get what it wants?

You should be worried.

 

[Pi brat]

Here we go. Biased judges can't get a fair shake. Poor east pilots can't find a court in the country that we agree you other than the ninth on a technicality.

No more delay. The money men want this over.

The only standing ruling is in USAPA's favor. What have you won lately? What about my questions?

 

[Pi brat]

What does the big money want? Does big money usually get what it wants?

You should be worried.

Do you think big money gives a rat's ass about you? What's a bigger issue? 1300 pilots or the legal CBA?

 

[Pi brat]

Of course usapa legal is telling you that. Shamanski needs to get paid a little longer.

No settlement. She is going to shove a full injunction on you. Appeal away but this time the company and the money men are saying it is ripe. Those same parties need a deal done prior to the MB arbitration. Read the transcripts from NY and the company filing.

The on,y Hail Mary passes are being flubbed by usapa.

Appeal away after the injunction. Usapa will be gone before it reaches the ninth.

Big words. Have you ever been wrong before? Does April ring s bell?

 

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The only standing ruling is in USAPA's favor. What have you won lately? What about my questions?

RICO, illegal job action, EDNY, SDNY.

How is the PBGC case going? The committee has already started the judge doesn't know the law rant. Prepping you guys for that loss.

 

[Pi brat]

If the case isn't ripe then why are we negotiating away from DOH? If the case isn't ripe then why not dismiss? You actually think we are going through weeks of compromising off your DOH intransigence just to have Silver dismiss the case later? Seriously, that's what you're thinking?

Uh, to say "Yes Judge...."

 

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Do you think big money gives a rat's ass about you? What's a bigger issue? 1300 pilots or the legal CBA?

No what big money cares about is getting the deal done. Usapa is doing everything they can to delay that.

Read the companies filing.

Do you think they care about a weak union that will be gone soon? Do you think trig money or Parker want to negotiate expensive and restrictive C&R that will prevent them from moving assets to maximize profits?

The walls are closing in on the east.

 

[Pi brat]

RICO, illegal job action, EDNY, SDNY.

How is the PBGC case going? The committee has already started the judge doesn't know the law rant. Prepping you guys for that loss.

Wake overturned, appeal denied, Supreme Court denial, Judge Silver ruling for USAPA, US appeal stay denied. But wait! I'm talking about your idiotic diarrhea of the mouth, not your legal team's.

 

[Pi brat]

No what big money cares about is getting the deal done. Usapa is doing everything they can to delay that.

Read the companies filing.

Do you think they care about a weak union that will be gone soon? Do you think trig money or Parker want to negotiate expensive and restrictive C&R that will prevent them from moving assets to maximize profits?

The walls are closing in on the east.

So I hear. Hey. I've been an A320 capt(again) for5 years. How about you? Throw me in that briar patch!

 

[mrbreeze]

What does the big money want? Does big money usually get what it wants?

You should be worried.

I have to get up early and fly, so I am not going to get involved with one of your nit picky arguments about which came first, the chicken or the egg, Sheldon.

I am not worried since the law is on our side. If big money influences Silver's court, they just buy themselves more delay with it being appealed to the 9th.

As you know, my point is that big money doesn't give a crap about your opinion or mine.

breeze

 

[Pi brat]

I have to get up early and fly, so I am not going to get involved with one of your nit picky arguments about which came first, the chicken or the egg, Sheldon.

I am not worried since the law is on our side. If big money influences Silver's court, they just buy themselves more delay with it being appealed to the 9th.

As you know, my point is that big money doesn't give a crap about your opinion or mine.

breeze

Even if everything went his way you and I wouldn't have anything to worry about. That's what pisses him off.