April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion

[prechilill]

I wonder if the process can be viewed as combining the west list with APA, and also combining the east list with APA? In other words, two separate events in which groups not represented by the same union are being integrated.

If it gets to arbitrations, it would mean two separate panels, one following the other. (Who gets to go first?) That, at least, would meet the M/B criteria for the necessity of different unions.

Einstein, two problems with your theory.
1. APA wants nothing to do with your cesspool that you created
2. AWA/ US is a separate transaction that occurred 8 years before US/ AMR.

So, you ready to lose DOH?? LOL

 

[prechilill]

I don't think so. They had numerous opportunities to come off the Nic
They assumed the risk. Taking that risk does not afford them a re negotiating stance. It does not work that way. They were approached by Cleary, and Hummel. They passed.
Your idea is merely a suggestion, the judge said the Nicolau does not have to be used.
The West and you had this wrong the entire time.
Every other labor group in the AWA US merger has gone DOH. Leonidas is the outlier. They will soon be offered DOH with healthy c&r s. my advice would be to accept it and move on. They have exhausted all legal remedies.

Liar. You are such a pathologic liar nobody in the real world believes your bull crap. Nobody, maybe except your friends that have a lifetime of working at a losing operation and wondering why in 2005 your company was about to liquidate. Your post highlights how you all live in fiction- revisionist history that Jodi Arias likes to tell. You two should date! Give it a shot, you're probably the kind of guy she's looking for 😀

It's over, the company agrees with the findings of fact by Harper in Document 94, Siegel blew your theory about class representation out of the water with their filing... You (pl) are being herded into a corner.

P.S. the case is ripe, we are moving forward. If you aren't compromising you will be slapped with an injunction. Maybe Bloch, or Eischen can hear our case? What do you think they will say? Maybe you should approach them with: "DOH is the fairest way to integrate, that senile old man Nicolau just doesn't get it..."

 

[CaptChill]

Einstein, two problems with your theory.
1. APA wants nothing to do with your cesspool that you created
2. AWA/ US is a separate transaction that occurred 8 years before US/ AMR.

So, you ready to lose DOH?? LOL

Hey Einstein...your opinions only... not worth squat.
Only with a ratification vote can anything be changed prior to the POR... Which has been your major problem from the get-go... So sorry for you Chilli

 

[nycbusdriver]

Einstein, two problems with your theory.
1. APA wants nothing to do with your cesspool that you created
2. AWA/ US is a separate transaction that occurred 8 years before US/ AMR.

So, you ready to lose DOH?? LOL

Choke on this you mindless nitwit:

"Well, I said they do not have to adopt the Nicolau. Okay?" - Judge Roslyn Silver

 

[Black Swan]

Liar. You are such a pathologic liar nobody in the real world believes your bull crap. Nobody, maybe except your friends that have a lifetime of working at a losing operation and wondering why in 2005 your company was about to liquidate. Your post highlights how you all live in fiction- revisionist history that Jodi Arias likes to tell. You two should date! Give it a shot, you're probably the kind of guy she's looking for 😀

It's over, the company agrees with the findings of fact by Harper in Document 94, Siegel blew your theory about class representation out of the water with their filing... You (pl) are being herded into a corner.

P.S. the case is ripe, we are moving forward. If you aren't compromising you will be slapped with an injunction. Maybe Bloch, or Eischen can hear our case? What do you think they will say? Maybe you should approach them with: "DOH is the fairest way to integrate, that senile old man Nicolau just doesn't get it..."

Maybe you can leave the kids home next arbitration.

 

[Hate2fly]

In Doug's dream we all stay separate until Jan 2019. The APA pilots don't get it yet. They still love Dougie for cutting a deal to keep the pension. A JCBA will cost the company around 400 to 500 million per year for the combined pilot groups. Doug saves the company in the neighborhood of 2 billion dollars thru the life of the MOU. Doug the bar room brawler.
Hate

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

In Doug's dream we all stay separate until Jan 2019. The APA pilots don't get it yet...

Maybe they do?

 

[luvthe9]

Einstein, two problems with your theory.
1. APA wants nothing to do with your cesspool that you created
2. AWA/ US is a separate transaction that occurred 8 years before US/ AMR.

So, you ready to lose DOH?? LOL

Tick Tock.......2 days to go. It's over "Einstein". Marty wants his money now.

 

[Claxon]

Are you guys angry at Doyal, Horner,Ferguson, Koontz and the rest of the pilot/lawyers(sarcasm) for leading you into this debacle? Someone should have figured out the non binding part.

 

[Claxon]

Tick Tock.......2 days to go. It's over "Einstein". Marty wants his money now.

Marty made a handsome living off the west pilots profit sharing.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Are you guys angry at Doyal, Horner,Ferguson, Koontz and the rest of the pilot/lawyers(sarcasm) for leading you into this debacle? Someone should have figured out the non binding part.

Nope, I'm not angry in the least, I'm a man of free will. It damn sure would have been non binding had nothing been done. Even to this day, despite your protestations otherwise, the question is still up in the air.

We did what we had to do, win or lose. Would you have done any different with a gun to your head?

 

[luvthe9]

Nope, I'm not angry in the least, I'm a man of free will. It damn sure would have been non binding had nothing been done. Even to this day, despite your protestations otherwise, the question is still up in the air.

We did what we had to do, win or lose. Would you have done any different with a gun to your head?

Well, at least you realize it's finally over, that's a good thing, time to move on. Those for mentioned gentlemen have really damaged your group and have cost you kids so much money and upgrades. This board is going to go empty soon as this saga ends, quite the waste of time yet entertaining.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Well, at least you realize it's finally over, that's a good thing, time to move on. Those for mentioned gentlemen have really damaged your group and have cost you kids so much money and upgrades. This board is going to go empty soon as this saga ends, quite the waste of time yet entertaining.

Of course it will be finally over at some point. I'm not angry at any pilots really. I can understand how you guys came to feel like you did. The path you went down was simply one that was available to you. And those aformentioned gentlemen didn't do anything we on the west as a whole didn't want them to do. We supported them with our wallets, the ultimate in putting your money where your mouth is.

If I have any anger at all, it's at our legal system. It sucks.

 

[Claxon]

It looks like the Company and the Judge see the M/Bond process as the way out. If the West is an interested party, then they can dispute whatever seniority list that USAPA hands over to the APA. That dispute will be solved by final and binding arbitration.

For now the West needs to bargain. That doesn't mean starting with the Nicolau and then moving away from it, just some different result than the Nicolau. My suggestion is to take the 2007 lists and remove any furloughed pilot that bypassed recall and is gone. On the Nicolau list the first AWA pilot is around 520. What you offer is to move that pilot up XX numbers towards the top. Also, you will select XX pilots that were on furlough as of the merger and move them into the "active" ratio. So now you have a pin at the top of the list and the bottom of the list. Do a straight ratio from there. Make USAPA pick the XX number and put the ball in their court. Right now, USAPA wants to box in the AOL and force them to negotiate only for the conditions and restrictions that accompany a date of hire list. In this offer you box in USAPA into making a choice on your turf.

We all know that USAPA is internally incapable of making any tough decision so the whole point is moot. However, AOL should present a serious proposal to USAPA that is not the Nicolau award, again it doesn't have to be a concession from the Nicolau, just different. If they demonstrate serious bargaining, then the judge will most likely put them into the M/Bond process and from there it is a slam dunk that the arbitration result will be the previous arbitration result, the Nicolau award.

It is a tortured path, but the judge is handing AOL a ticket to resolution, they just have to bargain first to get there.

Armando, it is a real shame you lost the west div backing when they got yanked out of ALPA. Kind of bushwhacked your ALPO aspirations. Keep trying though.
Maybe Mitch Vaselino can provide some solace.

 

[luvthe9]

Armando, it is a real shame you lost the west div backing when they got yanked out of ALPA. Kind of bushwhacked your ALPO aspirations. Keep trying though.
Maybe Mitch Vaselino can provide some solace.

I can't wait till Delta pulls out of ALPO, Go DPA!!!!!!!