April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion

[traderjake]

I didn't insult anyone. I just made an observation. You're an idiot

Says the village idiot who thinks APA accepts a single DOH seniority list fom USAPA.

 

[Claxon]

I didn't insult anyone. I just made an observation. You're an idiot. Nothing subjective about that.

Please, do us a favor and tell the Judge next week that it's Nic or nothing. I dare you.

"Here comes Captain Gay again, with a lecture disguised as a question....." Scott Kirby
Yes, let the esteemed Captain lecture the judge. He would try if afforded the opportunity.

 

[Bill Brasky]

Says the village idiot who thinks APA accepts a single DOH seniority list fom USAPA.

Looks like your mind reading skills may be a little faulty there, moron.

 

[nevergiveup]

The question of the NMB, their lawyers and the RLA keeps surfacing occasionally.

Is it within the purview of the NMB to even get involved at this stage? Do they (have they) actually intervened, even shown up or "parachuted," in a federal court where they are not specifically required to be there? The NMB has only lawyers who have opinions. A judge has different powers, and a judge's opinions often become more than mere opinions when they rule.

If Judge Silver is indeed overstepping her bounds here, would she even get a phone call from the NMB, and who exactly would place that call? Would that caller have any real authority? Wouldn't the NMB have to wait until there is an actual decision/ruling on Judge Silver's part? Until she actually decrees something, the decision is not ripe!

There is a bit of a separation of powers (the judicial and the executive) in play here, which would then require the Supreme Court to intervene. A real mess. But I do believe that Judge Silver is treading on dangerous ground here, and any compromise brokered by her court would likely not stand up to appeal.

I believe Judge Silver's preference is to play pole of the mediator and not have to make a ruling, something sometimes seen in the courtroom. I would do the same. In the end, I believe she will ask USAPA and APA if would they be agreeable to a 3 way and allow the west to have their own representation. The question is if this would be legal providing all sides agree. I lean toward yes, but admit not to have a well versed knowledge of the RLA.

 

[cleardirect]

So what's this mean to you guys??? How many times does she state, USAPA does not have to adopt the NIC? I read at least 4, among other nuggets like, Harper not complying with the her order to sit down and come off the NIC.......

Do you have a copy of her order from the company DJ?

If so post the page and statement that orders the west to negotiate. Where in her order does she tell the west that we have to come off the Nicolau?

That should not take to long it is longn 9 pages long.

 

[cleardirect]

Your delusional, you work under a whole different contract. You did say 3 way didn't you?? Mesa would have a better chance in this 3 way.

Are you under the misguided idea that a contract defines the corporate structure of an airline?

Just because we work under different contract does not mean that we work for different airlines.

My paycheck says is airways. My airplane says us airways. I fly under the same certificate as you do.

In August or September I am going to be flying airplanes with CFM engines and east pilot stink on the seat. I have pilots based in CLT, PHL and DCA sitting in the crew room in PHX. I pay dues to the same union you do.

Are you saying that usapa does not or should not be representing me?

We work for us airways not separate companies. Get used to the idea. The arbitrators are not going allow the argument that we are separate companies. So I work for a company with WB airplanes and 4 bases. Fact and reality.

 

[cleardirect]

She can t do any more than she has tried. And she has already gone over her limits. Time for USAPA to call for NMB intervention right now. Time for USAPA to march the DOH list into Parker's office.
The tide went out in PHX, and it was clear who was swimming without their trunks: nic4, Cleardirect, snap this, Prechillil, Ames and 700UW to name just a few.
Where is the ripeness? The harm? The injunction, and oh my, the Nicolau list?
At the bottom of the sea.

Call your lawyer and have him file with the court today that you believe she has overstepped her authority and threaten her with the NMB.

No really please. Do it today. Tell the judge she is wrong. Make the call to the NMB and have them intervene.

Don't talk about it do it.

 

[Black Swan]

Are you under the misguided idea that a contract defines the corporate structure of an airline?

Just because we work under different contract does not mean that we work for different airlines.

My paycheck says is airways. My airplane says us airways. I fly under the same certificate as you do.

I August or September I am going to be flying airplanes with CFM engines and east pilot stink on the seat. I have pilots based in CLT, PHL and DCA sitting in the crew room in PHX. I pay dues to the same union you do.

Are you saying that usapa does not or should not be representing me?

We work for us airways not separate companies. Get used to the idea. The arbitrators are not going allow the argument that we are separate companies. So I work for a company with WB airplanes and 4 bases. Fact and reality.

No, you will not fly anything CFM powered. Not this year, or next.
Let's see you show up on any East base come next bid. There will be hundreds of new hires, and furloughed West pilots. You, will be conspicuously absent.

 

[cleardirect]

I didn't insult anyone. I just made an observation. You're an idiot. Nothing subjective about that.

Please, do us a favor and tell the Judge next week that it's Nic or nothing. I dare you.

Insult but still no answer to my question.

Not capable? Not smart enough? Are you clueless to the answer?

 

[Crzipilot]

Do you have a copy of her order from the company DJ?

If so post the page and statement that orders the west to negotiate. Where in her order does she tell the west that we have to come off the Nicolau?

That should not take to long it is longn 9 pages long.

Just going by her statements in the transcript. Obviously both lawyers didn't realize it, but I think she was pretty much adament as to what she wanted, and even threatened to reorder such, but with an insinuation of consequences if she was forced to do so....

 

[Black Swan]

Clear. Answer this. Did Judge Silver say the situation is ripe, and did she impose the Nicolau lis? No typical gasbag answer. A simple yes or no.

 

[Schultz]

Are you under the misguided idea that a contract defines the corporate structure of an airline?

Just because we work under different contract does not mean that we work for different airlines.

My paycheck says is airways. My airplane says us airways. I fly under the same certificate as you do.

In August or September I am going to be flying airplanes with CFM engines and east pilot stink on the seat. I have pilots based in CLT, PHL and DCA sitting in the crew room in PHX. I pay dues to the same union you do.

Are you saying that usapa does not or should not be representing me?

We work for us airways not separate companies. Get used to the idea. The arbitrators are not going allow the argument that we are separate companies. So I work for a company with WB airplanes and 4 bases. Fact and reality.

How about that. The exact same argument as the Mid-Atlantic pilots have.

 

[cleardirect]

Just going by her statements in the transcript. Obviously both lawyers didn't realize it, but I think she was pretty much adament as to what she wanted, and even threatened to reorder such, but with an insinuation of consequences if she was forced to do so....

I know what she said in court.

What did she write in her order? That has the authority. Can you point to the order doc 193 company DJ that says the west has to come of the Nicolau and negotiate with usapa?

 

[cleardirect]

Clear. Answer this. Did Judge Silver say the situation is ripe, and did she impose the Nicolau lis? No typical gasbag answer. A simple yes or no.

No!

She did not rule on ripeness or the temporary injunction.

Tuesday was scheduled as an injunction hearing. It tuned out not to be that.

She also did not rule on usapa's motion to dismiss, the company's motion to dismiss or the west class certification.

Is that clear enough for you?

 

[cleardirect]

How about that. The exact same argument as the Mid-Atlantic pilots have.

Except the MDA pilots lost that argument. Twice.

Next time you see any corporate officer or senior manager ask them if the east and west pilots work for the same airline. If they say no let me know.

Next crew news bring it up to Parker. I would like to hear his answer.