Phoenix
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Still reverting to your willful ignorance as a sign of your prowess.
April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion
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traderjake
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fatherabraham
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Been looking and looking and looking.
Still have NOT seen 1awa westie name on that thar list.
Edit: Referring to the C/O Gay types.
Maybe next bid dca319 can snag 330 FO , think it will likely go that junior by summer.
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Wow, I counted close to 100 new A-320 captains. Congratulations all!
Look closer, they are being recalled to the east from furlough.
Zone5
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American Airlines recalls last pilot on furlough
According to the union, the recalled pilots will be needed because of retirements and new federal crew-rest rules that will require additional pilots on some international flights.
Lets see, how many West retirements coming up and how many more pilots are going to be needed to fly the West "international" operation? I guess that's what management was talking about when they said no growth at "Fortress Tempe". Enjoy the next several YEARS of continued STAGNATION!
So, how's that NIC or nothing looking now to the West "hold outs"? You guys have to be sweating balls over this "hail Marty" pass hanging in the air! Good luck to you, after all, it's all about luck anyway; Right, Bean? Dirtball!
seajay
According to the union, the recalled pilots will be needed because of retirements and new federal crew-rest rules that will require additional pilots on some international flights.
Lets see, how many West retirements coming up and how many more pilots are going to be needed to fly the West "international" operation? I guess that's what management was talking about when they said no growth at "Fortress Tempe". Enjoy the next several YEARS of continued STAGNATION!
So, how's that NIC or nothing looking now to the West "hold outs"? You guys have to be sweating balls over this "hail Marty" pass hanging in the air! Good luck to you, after all, it's all about luck anyway; Right, Bean? Dirtball!
seajay
Zone5
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Ain't that a peach! I moved up 35 numbers on the 7I, no more Winter reserve! Didn't want to commute to CLT so I passed on the 319 upgrade this time around.
How did you Westies do? Oh, never mind, NIC or nothing, right? Well you got NOTHING!
seajay
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What have you heard about that? I've heard rumors that no back-to-back trips due to the new regs. Or, all trips will be 4-days so that "acclimation" will occur in the "New Theater."
Glad to see USAPA has begun video updates on what to expect. This info can't come soon enough. Things like this affect how people bid for airplanes and bases. Well....except for PHX.
snapthis
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May 5, 2013
Leonidas Update
On May 3, 2013, Attorneys for the West Pilots filed responses in the latest Addington case (Addington III – DFR 2). These filings are responses to USAPA’s Motion to Dismiss and a Reply in Support of our Motion for Preliminary Injunction. We highly recommend that you read these filings (Doc 52 & Doc 53).
The primary matter at issue in the pleadings is whether this matter is now ripe for decision. In our recent filings, we argue that the MOU is the single agreement called for in the Transition Agreement, finally making the DFR claim ripe. US Airways supported this argument in their Response to Motion for Preliminary Injunction (PI) filed last week (Doc 49). Specifically, the company stated in their pleadings that “the facts are entirely different and none of the contingencies at issue in Addington I (DFR I) are present here. To the extent a ‘final CBA,’ or a ‘new, single CBA’, is a prerequisite to ripeness of the DFR claim asserted by plaintiffs in this case, the requirement is satisfied.” The company also stated that: “[c]ontrary to USAPA’s argument, the material terms and conditions of employment for both East and West pilots following the merger are now known and fixed by the MOU.”
In addition to the ripeness issue, the reply and response documents counter a number of arguments made by USAPA, including that the ratification of the MOU was a waiver of the obligations under the Transition Agreement and/or the right to require implementation of the Nicolau award.
On Friday, May 3, 2013, the company also filed its reply in support of its Motion to Dismiss. Although the Company has weighed in on the ripeness issue in our favor, the Company has maintained the position throughout its pleadings that the Court does not have jurisdiction over the Company because this is a “minor dispute” that should be submitted to the System Board. We have argued that the “minor dispute” doctrine does not apply and that the Company is a necessary party to this action and to any preliminary injunction. The complete briefing on the Company’s Motion to Dismiss is available online. (Doc 54).
There have been some other developments with respect to the adversary pleading filed by USAPA in New York and the appeal pending in Addington II (Airways Declaratory Relief). After the bankruptcy judge, AMR and its creditors committee expressed doubts as to the propriety of USAPA’s adversary complaint, on April 25, 2013, USAPA voluntarily dismissed the adversary pleading pending in the AMR bankruptcy in New York.
Also on Friday, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals denied the company’s request to stay their appeal and ordered an opening brief on June 5 followed by defendants’ answering briefs (West Class and USAPA) on July 5 and the optional reply 14 days later after service of the answers. It will be interesting to see how the Airways appeal proceeds while arguing a ripe case in Judge Silver’s court on a fact set that appears to moot the company’s claims in Addington II.
We continue to have a busy docket. One final brief is due on May 9, 2013, and that is Defendant USAPA’s Reply to Plaintiff West Pilots’ Response to USAPA’s Motion to Dismiss. The following day, May 10, 2013, all parties will file a joint status report containing a proposed schedule for the May 14, 2013, 10 a.m. preliminary injunction hearing at the Sandra Day O'Connor U.S. Courthouse, 401 W. Washington Street, Phoenix, Arizona, Courtroom 601.
When the hearing is complete, there is no timetable for a ruling from the Court.
Finally, we would like to remind everyone of the Meet and Greet with the West attorneys scheduled for Friday, May 17, 2013 at 9a.m. The location is the Oasis Room of the Coast Phoenix Sky Harbor Hotel, 4300 East Washington Street, Phoenix, Arizona 85034 602-273-7778.
In the meantime, we thank you for your unwavering support. Six years ago, nobody believed the West pilot group would stick together. We did, and we do believe that all of your patience, faith, trust and support will be rewarded.
Sincerely,
Leonidas, LLC
Leonidas Update
On May 3, 2013, Attorneys for the West Pilots filed responses in the latest Addington case (Addington III – DFR 2). These filings are responses to USAPA’s Motion to Dismiss and a Reply in Support of our Motion for Preliminary Injunction. We highly recommend that you read these filings (Doc 52 & Doc 53).
The primary matter at issue in the pleadings is whether this matter is now ripe for decision. In our recent filings, we argue that the MOU is the single agreement called for in the Transition Agreement, finally making the DFR claim ripe. US Airways supported this argument in their Response to Motion for Preliminary Injunction (PI) filed last week (Doc 49). Specifically, the company stated in their pleadings that “the facts are entirely different and none of the contingencies at issue in Addington I (DFR I) are present here. To the extent a ‘final CBA,’ or a ‘new, single CBA’, is a prerequisite to ripeness of the DFR claim asserted by plaintiffs in this case, the requirement is satisfied.” The company also stated that: “[c]ontrary to USAPA’s argument, the material terms and conditions of employment for both East and West pilots following the merger are now known and fixed by the MOU.”
In addition to the ripeness issue, the reply and response documents counter a number of arguments made by USAPA, including that the ratification of the MOU was a waiver of the obligations under the Transition Agreement and/or the right to require implementation of the Nicolau award.
On Friday, May 3, 2013, the company also filed its reply in support of its Motion to Dismiss. Although the Company has weighed in on the ripeness issue in our favor, the Company has maintained the position throughout its pleadings that the Court does not have jurisdiction over the Company because this is a “minor dispute” that should be submitted to the System Board. We have argued that the “minor dispute” doctrine does not apply and that the Company is a necessary party to this action and to any preliminary injunction. The complete briefing on the Company’s Motion to Dismiss is available online. (Doc 54).
There have been some other developments with respect to the adversary pleading filed by USAPA in New York and the appeal pending in Addington II (Airways Declaratory Relief). After the bankruptcy judge, AMR and its creditors committee expressed doubts as to the propriety of USAPA’s adversary complaint, on April 25, 2013, USAPA voluntarily dismissed the adversary pleading pending in the AMR bankruptcy in New York.
Also on Friday, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals denied the company’s request to stay their appeal and ordered an opening brief on June 5 followed by defendants’ answering briefs (West Class and USAPA) on July 5 and the optional reply 14 days later after service of the answers. It will be interesting to see how the Airways appeal proceeds while arguing a ripe case in Judge Silver’s court on a fact set that appears to moot the company’s claims in Addington II.
We continue to have a busy docket. One final brief is due on May 9, 2013, and that is Defendant USAPA’s Reply to Plaintiff West Pilots’ Response to USAPA’s Motion to Dismiss. The following day, May 10, 2013, all parties will file a joint status report containing a proposed schedule for the May 14, 2013, 10 a.m. preliminary injunction hearing at the Sandra Day O'Connor U.S. Courthouse, 401 W. Washington Street, Phoenix, Arizona, Courtroom 601.
When the hearing is complete, there is no timetable for a ruling from the Court.
Finally, we would like to remind everyone of the Meet and Greet with the West attorneys scheduled for Friday, May 17, 2013 at 9a.m. The location is the Oasis Room of the Coast Phoenix Sky Harbor Hotel, 4300 East Washington Street, Phoenix, Arizona 85034 602-273-7778.
In the meantime, we thank you for your unwavering support. Six years ago, nobody believed the West pilot group would stick together. We did, and we do believe that all of your patience, faith, trust and support will be rewarded.
Sincerely,
Leonidas, LLC
I didn't see it in any PHX update but I heard that Captain Hogg said that the west is still slightly overstaffed, so much so that they won't require any pilots for implementation of the new rest rules.
Looking at the latest bid Odell is close to holding a line in DCA.
It's really to bad this turned out this way.
Wrong. I believed that you guys would stick together and predicted that if USAPA was elected we would be mired in court for years and years. I thought you guys would win in the end, but USAPA has proven me wrong a few times. We'll see what happens in the next few months, but at least it hasn't been boring.
I'll predict ya one better, MOU is good till 2018!
Phoenix
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It really is too bad. The West lawyers are still making money on the premise that a minority can dictate how their union bargains for all it pilots.
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