Nope, not going to happen like you think. The JCBA process between east and west have never been completed as the T/A outlined. The Nic was never ratified ( nor could it have been ) into a JCBA as was required. The company and USAPA have agreed to a new process MOU that deep sixes the former T/A. There will be three lists going into the AA/US merger. You can be a captain too if you bid east! Too bad you thought those suppositories were breath mints at first, EEEEWWWWW! SCAB
April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion
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Phoenix
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"ALPA merger policy has changed. Since it's changed, the Pinnacle-Mesaba-Colgan list has been arbitrated. Furloughed pilots were slotted above active pilots....
No matter, the 3 arbitrators will be the ones to make the final list. There's a lot of cursing and gnashing of the teeth on both sides before the ruling (and for many years after) but it's all going to come down to the arbitrators."
No matter, the 3 arbitrators will be the ones to make the final list. There's a lot of cursing and gnashing of the teeth on both sides before the ruling (and for many years after) but it's all going to come down to the arbitrators."
cleardirect
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Are you serious?
You and east pilots have no right talking about arbitrators decisions.
The arbitrator ruled and for the last 6 years you east pilots have avoided and denied the arbitrators decision.
Hypocrite!
Phoenix
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Hey genius, did you ask yourself why I posted quote marks on "my own" post?
"The point's moot. In the Pinnacle-Mesaba-Colgan SLI, which occurred under the new ALPA policy, furloughed pilots were slotted above active pilots.
Anything can be a factor in SLI. The arbitrators can use any method they desire and place undue weight on anything they want."
Captain Gay! How does one ignore a final and binding arbitration for six years? I thought it was final, and binding! Say it ain't so!
I have heard of the new and younger pilots east. Only going to multiply is the word in the CLT training center. Lots of hiring.
Walmartgreeter
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It's refreshing (and jarring in a way) to meet and fly with these young pilots. Reminds me of 1999, before airplanes flew into buildings (before Cactus Dave was Major Airline worthy) and the West Class thought they could personally gain from the fallout of a terrorist attack the expense of pilots out East. Lots of hiring, and payrates going up and up. New aircraft every month.
Unfortunately, those in the West Class never actually worked for a successful and thriving carrier, and somehow thought the only way to get a "leg up" was at the expense of others. They could not understand that those senior actually knew what it was like to work for high wages and benefits.
Some might disagree with the methodology, but for all intents, through representation the East pilots sacrificed their long earned retirements to save the airline. Much more than just “showing up.”
Getting rid of ALPA. Check.
Getting everyone a raise in the MOU. Check
Getting the CLT reps to send out the MOU for a member vote. Check.
Getting the West Class to vote for the MOU. Check.
Keeping the NIC off the property, and proud to admit it as a basis for forming the union. Check
Reestablishing DOH as a defining concept in airline pilot mergers. Check.
The true LUP of DOH will soon be reaffirmed by Judge Silver.
Greeter
You cleaned jets better than you interpreted RLA law. And the jets you cleaned were, ummm, not very clean so I am told.
luvthe9
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The ALPA transition agreement? Not being used. Better hustle down to C30 and dump the lavs.
A320 Driver
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Oh, the one that says East and West get to vote on a JCBA that institutes it? Show me that JCBA that includes the NIC so I can vote against it.
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