April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion

[prechilill]

I can tell by their post rate that things are getting desperate. USAPAS house of cards/lies is about to crash to the ground. Maybe I'll make the trek to PHX and watch the show in person on the 14th. They should web cast it pay-per-view.

Not a single one of them have even countered the numerous statements in the company's filing from this weekend- nothing new here. Ignore devastating news and just go about their merry ways. Maybe we will get another dream from Joe Greeter about Addington not being ripe. Lol.

 

[Bill Brasky]

USAPA will be dead and gone long before any appeals process is concluded

It will be over on POR day. You guys voted for it. So after Silver throws this out, again, you guys will be done. You'll pay your dues, like everyone else.

No lottery ticket for you! Just like Kirby said.

 

[3dtv]

Not a single one of them have even countered the numerous statements in the company's filing from this weekend- nothing new here. Ignore devastating news and just go about their merry ways. Maybe we will get another dream from Joe Greeter about Addington not being ripe. Lol.

You are wrong and wrong about your guess on identity of posters. Guess again.

 

[Phoenix]

...nothing new here...

And?

 

[luvthe9]

USAPA will be dead and gone long before any appeals process is concluded

As will be the NIC.

 

[Beancounter]

Sure, sorta like when you are at the pool trying to get your friends to swim with you. "Come on in. The water's warm." All I want to know is a "sea of death" yellow?

You're doing this from the other side of the ocean....right? "Get off the ledge....and into the "sea of death"!

Hey, we worry about you guys. I remember back when you threatened to leave ALPA. You were holding a gun to your wallets saying, "give us your seniority or we'll shoot!" By gosh, you guys pulled the trigger and blew away almost a Billion bucks. I'll say at least one thing, you've got some balls. Or at least you did before you pulled that trigger.

Bean

 

[traderjake]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c32_1367332518

Bagram Airfield Crash 29 APR 2013

 

[Walmartgreeter]

I don't have any dreams tonight. Only more questions.

Can one of the West Class explain to me what exactly they expect to happen in mid-May? As best I can figure, Judge Silver is supposed to disregard all the law in the East filings, and declare ripeness. And by doing that somehow the NIC would immediately become the law of the land and our seniority list. Is that it? By declaration from the bench the East pilots will be told they were tricked and actually voted on a proposal that 1) was not in keeping with their CBL, and 2) was never presented to the Company by USAPA as a bargaining position (other than for the brief period as ordered by Judge Wake.)

And will Judge Silver now disregard her previous ruling that USAPA was free to pursue something other than the NIC?

And how will a ruling of ripeness play out for merger concerns? A ripe ruling will send the parties scrambling back to higher courts on appeal, and the M/B process favored by Parker and the UCC will be interrupted. The ONLY way this merger proceeds uninterrupted is for Silver to do a res judica, and dismiss. Is she really going to declare our process ripe based on a premise there will be a POR, and thus a material MOU? My questions keep coming, and no matter where I go the only way things move smoothly is for the process of the MOU to go forward, having been ratified by 98% of the West Class.

Don't give me your bravado. Give me some logic and law that says Silver will impose the NIC on the East pilots. I want to hear some arguments that are based on more than simply using East pilot's pictures as avatars on your profiles.

Greeter

 

[prechilill]

Ripeness is a given- all parties of interest except one think so.
Injunction issued by July
POR August 31
West pilots take 330 captain bids in Fall.
USAPA gone by December
A few disgruntled AFO easties try to sue the APA and the company- case goes nowhere. Eventually, interest wanes as the AFOs retire, see the futility in their efforts and realize they need to purchase a small piece of land with a trailer on it to afford retirement.
A sad ending for such a bitter group

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Ripeness is a given- all parties of interest except one think so.
Injunction issued by July
POR August 31
West pilots take 330 captain bids in Fall.
USAPA gone by December
A few disgruntled AFO easties try to sue the APA and the company- case goes nowhere. Eventually, interest wanes as the AFOs retire, see the futility in their efforts and realize they need to purchase a small piece of land with a trailer on it to afford retirement.
A sad ending for such a bitter group

Thanks Chill, as I figured, no substance.

But I will plan accordingly. It’s much worse than I thought, I am in for a real bushwhacking.

Greeter

 

[Claxon]

Doesn't remind you of one of those reel to reel films from long ago?

What I got from the lemming lesson is that many drowned following the leadership of the Lemming Bradford with this experiment. I also realize that not all East pilots follow Bradford out to a sea of death.

Yes, Cleary was bad. He kept the Nicolau at bay until the AA merger wiped it off the map. 98% of west div made it happen. Nice.

 

[Claxon]

Ripeness is a given- all parties of interest except one think so.
Injunction issued by July
POR August 31
West pilots take 330 captain bids in Fall.
USAPA gone by December
A few disgruntled AFO easties try to sue the APA and the company- case goes nowhere. Eventually, interest wanes as the AFOs retire, see the futility in their efforts and realize they need to purchase a small piece of land with a trailer on it to afford retirement.
A sad ending for such a bitter group

Must get your gut hard every time you turn off 27r PHL and drag by those 330's. planes you might never fly. What a sad ending.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Must get your gut hard every time you turn off 27r PHL and drag by those 330's. planes you might never fly. What a sad ending.

Crazy thing is she WILL fly them with DOH, but only after me, and then for another 10 years, because of her youth.

It's a generational thing, "I want it now."

Greeter

 

[Phoenix]

Thanks Chill, as I figured, no substance.

But I will plan accordingly. It’s much worse than I thought, I am in for a real bushwhacking.

Greeter

Ok, lets say its ripe. Then what?

Is USAPA entitled to a fair trial to determine if it has breached its DFR while following the provisions of the TA? Are USAPA representational rights and responsibilities altered at all while the trial proceeds?

Will Silver dispense with any necessity for a trial and simply find that USAPA must use the Nic in all ways according to the TA (a product of the TA)? Would such an injunction limit itself to the stipulations of the TA or would she invent some more?

Or will SIlver just delay and let the arbitrators decide under MB, since that is where this is headed anyway.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Ok, lets say its ripe. Then what?

Is USAPA entitled to a fair trial to determine if it has breached its DFR while following the provisions of the TA? Are USAPA representational rights and responsibilities altered at all while the trial proceeds?

Will Silver dispense with any necessity for a trial and simply find that USAPA must use the Nic in all ways according to the TA (a product of the TA)? Would such an injunction limit itself to the stipulations of the TA or would she invent some more?

Or will SIlver just delay and let the arbitrators decide under MB, since that is where this is headed anyway.

....and the West Class says the NIC should have already been implemented, thus "ripeness." But the Company ("no") has refused to implement it. Why is that question before Judge Silver? It is a T/A dispute, that contractually has to be heard by Bloch first. (sp?)

Greeter