April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Zone5]

Well.....not quite. I don't know the particulars here, but if the method is "how long the employees have worked in their jobs" is the standard, then it is a LOS merger by definition.

Moreover, are all "jobs" considered equally? I am not certain of the employee group here, but if it is the mechanics and related jobs represented by these unions, then does that have a bearing on mechanics only being merged with mechanics by LOS? And Stock clerks with stock clerks? GSE vs. GSE?

Gee, I only know what I read in the Dallas Morning News. Here is the link to the article:

http://www.dallasnew...ority-lists.ece

Why don't you read it and tell me what it says. My take is DOH/LOS with conditions and restrictions.

Specifically: "The agreement between the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers at US Airways and the Transport Workers Union at American covers mechanics and related employees, maintenance stock clerks, fleet service employees and maintenance control technicians." If that misses someone other than management, flight attendants (DOH) and pilots (currently DOH) I guess I am just incorrect. Perhaps dispatchers? One thing is for sure, it ain't relative position/slotting or by lottery.


seajay

 

[Bill Brasky]

Why has no one mentioned the fact that the Naugler case (MDA) has been decided by the Second circuit?

Oh that’s right. It was a loss. That whole, the MDA list was wrong and ALPA DFR’rd the MDA guys and it would null and void the Nicolau theory just fell on its ass.

Another east legal theory shot down.

Sure hope the Naugler plaintiffs have paid their bills, keep collecting that money. Maybe they can appeal to the Supreme Court now.

All this does is demonstrate how hard it is to prevail in a DFR case. Looks to me that the westies' idea of sailing through a DFR case have been blown out of the water.

Talk about a failed legal theory. Yes, AOL certainly has one of those.

 

[end_of_alpa]

You are correct. We've bickered about it for 6 years now. Why should we stop when we're all having so much fun, and making such splendid progress, to boot?

Bazinga!

 

[Zone5]

Doesn't remind you of one of those reel to reel films from long ago?

What I got from the lemming lesson is that many drowned following the leadership of the Lemming Bradford with this experiment. I also realize that not all East pilots follow Bradford out to a sea of death.

A little over-the-top there with your rhetoric: "some East pilots follow Bradford out to a sea of death", really, sea of death! Furthermore, your description of the migratory characteristics of Lemmings, is wrong.

The myth of mass lemming suicide began when the Walt Disney movie, Wild Wilderness was released in 1958. It was filmed in Alberta, Canada, far from the sea and not a native home to lemmings. So the filmmakers imported lemmings, by buying them from Inuit children. The migration sequence was filmed by placing the lemmings on a spinning turntable that was covered with snow, and then shooting it from many different angles. The cliff-death-plunge sequence was done by herding the lemmings over a small cliff into a river. It's easy to understand why the filmmakers did this - wild animals are notoriously uncooperative, and a migration-of-doom followed by a cliff-of-death sequence is far more dramatic to show than the lemmings' self-implemented population-density management plan.
So lemmings do not commit mass suicide. Indeed, animals live to thrive and survive. Consider a company like Disney, where one rodent, namely Mickey Mouse, was Royalty. It's rather odd to think that Disney could be so unkind to another rodent, the lemming...

For your further edification I suggest the following:

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2004/04/27/1081903.htm

It does not surprise me however, that you would reference a "Mickey Mouse" set of circumstances in your quest for the holy "NIC" grail!


seajay

 

[Metroyet]

USTUPIDS latest update failed to mention their legal requirement for an LUP...of which they have none. Silvers Summary Judgement is going to hit the East like napalm. It shouldn't, but with communications that routinely deceive and lie by omission, it's almost understandable.

 

[snapthis]

A little over-the-top there with your rhetoric: "some East pilots follow Bradford out to a sea of death", really, sea of death! Furthermore, your description of the migratory characteristics of Lemmings, is wrong.

The myth of mass lemming suicide began when the Walt Disney movie, Wild Wilderness was released in 1958. It was filmed in Alberta, Canada, far from the sea and not a native home to lemmings. So the filmmakers imported lemmings, by buying them from Inuit children. The migration sequence was filmed by placing the lemmings on a spinning turntable that was covered with snow, and then shooting it from many different angles. The cliff-death-plunge sequence was done by herding the lemmings over a small cliff into a river. It's easy to understand why the filmmakers did this - wild animals are notoriously uncooperative, and a migration-of-doom followed by a cliff-of-death sequence is far more dramatic to show than the lemmings' self-implemented population-density management plan.
So lemmings do not commit mass suicide. Indeed, animals live to thrive and survive. Consider a company like Disney, where one rodent, namely Mickey Mouse, was Royalty. It's rather odd to think that Disney could be so unkind to another rodent, the lemming...

For your further edification I suggest the following:

http://www.abc.net.a.../27/1081903.htm

It does not surprise me however, that you would reference a "Mickey Mouse" set of circumstances in your quest for the holy "NIC" grail!


seajay

I relieved to see the lemmings in Alberta are doing just fine. It was more of analogy than anything. Better than Usapians after all this smoke clears. I understand that
you hard liners are in the minority and the majority of East pilots I have run into think more like PSA and Trader.

Therefore not all East pilots are lemmings. Just the ones following the likes of Bradford and Cleary. I guess you'll get a little wet after this is all over but you will survive the Nicolau.

 

[Phoenix]

Hahahahaha! You're calling me Larry, and, in the same breath, you say I have no clue?

What a nitwit you are. But keep them coming....it's hysterical!

Prechill thinks s/he has everyone's name figured out and, though being wrong, points to such "secret knowledge" as prima-facie evidence that s/he has superior intelligence, and that her following arguments are equally impressive. ... Hysterical Nitwit... H.N.

 

[Beancounter]

Hey, East! New quote for you! The Spartans are going to push us into the "sea of death."

Maybe we're not trying to push you in, but trying to talk you off the ledge.

Bean

 

[Phoenix]

Maybe we're not trying to push you in, but trying to talk you off the ledge.

Bean

Sure, sorta like when you are at the pool trying to get your friends to swim with you. "Come on in. The water's warm." All I want to know is a "sea of death" yellow?

 

[Res Judicata]

All this does is demonstrate how hard it is to prevail in a DFR case. Looks to me that the westies' idea of sailing through a DFR case have been blown out of the water.

Talk about a failed legal theory. Yes, AOL certainly has one of those.

So if USAPA loses, was USAPAs DFR just that severe or is the Judge senile?

 

[end_of_alpa]

Maybe we're not trying to push you in, but trying to talk you off the ledge.

Bean

You're doing this from the other side of the ocean....right? "Get off the ledge....and into the "sea of death"!

 

[end_of_alpa]

A little over-the-top there with your rhetoric: "some East pilots follow Bradford out to a sea of death", really, sea of death! Furthermore, your description of the migratory characteristics of Lemmings, is wrong.

The myth of mass lemming suicide began when the Walt Disney movie, Wild Wilderness was released in 1958. It was filmed in Alberta, Canada, far from the sea and not a native home to lemmings. So the filmmakers imported lemmings, by buying them from Inuit children. The migration sequence was filmed by placing the lemmings on a spinning turntable that was covered with snow, and then shooting it from many different angles. The cliff-death-plunge sequence was done by herding the lemmings over a small cliff into a river. It's easy to understand why the filmmakers did this - wild animals are notoriously uncooperative, and a migration-of-doom followed by a cliff-of-death sequence is far more dramatic to show than the lemmings' self-implemented population-density management plan.
So lemmings do not commit mass suicide. Indeed, animals live to thrive and survive. Consider a company like Disney, where one rodent, namely Mickey Mouse, was Royalty. It's rather odd to think that Disney could be so unkind to another rodent, the lemming...

For your further edification I suggest the following:

http://www.abc.net.a.../27/1081903.htm

It does not surprise me however, that you would reference a "Mickey Mouse" set of circumstances in your quest for the holy "NIC" grail!


seajay

Wow! I didn't know that. And here we have Disney luring ME into the "Sea of Death".....go figure.

 

[Bill Brasky]

So if USAPA loses, was USAPAs DFR just that severe or is the Judge senile?

Don't worry yourself. USAPA isn't going to lose.

If Judge Silver uses improper bias to draw a comclusion that is improper it will be appealed to the Ninth, again. I don't anticipate that she'll do that, especially since she already ruled against AOL TWICE.

 

[Freighterguynow]

There is no hiring going on in the west regional division? The East is the only one hiring for the next few years. Why should anyone on the west care?

If you want to know more about the East new hires, just ask one of your west chief pilots to go on the company computer and illegally burn a disk with their personal information. History has shown they can do this with out impunity.

Bump

 

[Res Judicata]

Don't worry yourself. USAPA isn't going to lose.

If Judge Silver uses improper bias to draw a comclusion that is improper it will be appealed to the Ninth, again. I don't anticipate that she'll do that, especially since she already ruled against AOL TWICE.

USAPA will be dead and gone long before any appeals process is concluded