April/May 2013 IAM Fleet Discussions

[737823]

If M&R struck or Fleet both groups of the IAM would be told to honor the picket line.

Or they could collaborate with US management to pit the membership against themselves and add "ancillary duties" to the CBA and ensure workers failing to perform the ancillary duties are deemed insubordinate and subject to termination. Sound familiar?

Josh

 

[ograc]

i for one actually agree with on that with freedom.. orgac youre absolutely correct about that assessment and i think as long as the merger with AA is going to be approved id have to wonder if some of the other cities might go back to mainline... not all but at least some what do you think? and for some of the existing mainline cities ex bwi dtw could see increased mainline jet

we could see more insourcing of work. Especially if the equation is based soley on departures without regard to the designation of mainline or express departures. Additionally, this type of language could protect work in outline stations who are currently subject to outsourcing, as defined in the current contract. I won't list them... but there are curently at least 5 that I know of that could be gone prior to merger. PROTECT THE WORK! This should be the focus Brother.

 

[cltrat]

Or they could collaborate with US management to pit the membership against themselves and add "ancillary duties" to the CBA and ensure workers failing to perform the ancillary duties are deemed insubordinate and subject to termination. Sound familiar?

Josh

I don't always agree with 700 esp when it comes to politics but your stalking of him is rather creepy. Do you peak in his windows too?

 

[psa8979]

Thank you Brother 700 for explaining the difference between LEAKS and NDA's. Updates like what 142-M N/C would be helpful for F/S. It's tough to have patients when it's been two B/R's and a Merger since WE have been in Section-6 Negotiations with LCC/US. Plus, knowing and having many of the same Corporate Thugs sitting at the table robbing US ! We are ALL IAM (F/S & M/R) and will honor self-help together in SOLIDARITY .

 

[700UW]

Or they could collaborate with US management to pit the membership against themselves and add "ancillary duties" to the CBA and ensure workers failing to perform the ancillary duties are deemed insubordinate and subject to termination. Sound familiar?

Josh

In your lame overzealous attempt to discredit the IAM or myself, you make yourself look like a fool.

At US fleet service does ancillary duties all ready, the do receipt and dispatch and airstarts on US a/c.

There arent any jobs that a mechanic does that fleet can legally do.

So try again, and thanks for making this so easy on making yourself look foolish and stupid.

Back in 99 when M&R was getting ready to strike, fleet was backing us 100%.

 

[necigrad]

So, would you support a picket line by mx or not?

Yup. I was just pointing out that the Company can fill FS with outsourced labor in that situation.

 

[Kev3188]

DAMN! Love him or hate him, 700UW has hit 20,000 posts!

Wow!

That's quite a threshold!

Freedom,
It is not often I agree with your posts, however, this one I completely agree with. Protecting our existing work should be priority number one. The current language in the contract, both to insource and outsource stations, is based on "mainline" departures. I have a proposal for future contract language. The threshold for both, outsourcing and insourcing of Fleet Service work, is based on departures only; regardless of wheather they are "mainline" or "express". Many outline stations are currently working the same amount of departures. The company just manipulates the flying (mainline / express) to accomplish their outsourcing agenda for fleet. This proposed language would be a big step in protecting existing work.

Yes, yes, and yes! This is also the language that absolutely has to be the tightest, since it's where the company will spend the most time looking for loopholes.

I don't always agree with 700 esp when it comes to politics but your stalking of him is rather creepy. Do you peak in his windows too?

+1

 

[700UW]

HOWEVER, there is a later paragraph (I think the next one and I ain't typing out another!) that says they can't outsource FS work that's LEGALLY STRUCK work. In my humble opinion, were FS to support a M&R strike the company could hire rampers to cover for the missing FS guys.

They just cant go out and hire, they have to pass the Background check and fingerprinted for the SIDA badge and be trained before they are allowed to work an aircraft.

 

[necigrad]

Absolutely. I would conside a variant of the NW stike several years ago though. Instead of hiring MX (like at NW) they could hire rampers in anticipation. Do I think it would happen? No, but that doesn't mean that it won't.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Each US AIRWAYS IAM member ought to be concerned about the present IAM organizing drive at AMR. If the IAM triggers an election and loses, then the MBA protections will NOT apply, and the IAM members would be subject to the TWU's own internal policy. OTOH, if the IAM does NOT force a representational dispute, then and only then, will the MBA apply and force arbitration if the IAM and TWU can not come to a 'seniority integration' agreement. At least, the MBA would provide arbitration instead of a 'sole and exclusive' situation. An Arbitrator would make a ruling based on the seniority clauses in the contracts and some other variants. In other words, the IAM better plan on winning an organizing campaign if it triggers one otherwise its members are clearly at a bigger risk of seniority loss. I understand the IAM wanting to force a last ditch effort to preserve its own membership but it ought to consider the expense it would potentially cost its membership. One thing is clear, it will get POUNDED in an election if it doesn't tend to its own internal squabbles first. regards,

 

[cltrat]

Each US AIRWAYS IAM member ought to be concerned about the present IAM organizing drive at AMR. If the IAM triggers an election and loses, then the MBA protections will NOT apply, and the IAM members would be subject to the TWU's own internal policy. OTOH, if the IAM does NOT force a representational dispute, then and only then, will the MBA apply and force arbitration if the IAM and TWU can not come to a 'seniority integration' agreement. At least, the MBA would provide arbitration instead of a 'sole and exclusive' situation. An Arbitrator would make a ruling based on the seniority clauses in the contracts and some other variants. In other words, the IAM better plan on winning an organizing campaign if it triggers one otherwise its members are clearly at a bigger risk of seniority loss. I understand the IAM wanting to force a last ditch effort to preserve its own membership but it ought to consider the expense it would potentially cost its membership. One thing is clear, it will get POUNDED in an election if it doesn't tend to its own internal squabbles first. regards,

Tim
I have tossed this out before and I will again
I would not be surprised to see the TWU and IAM get in bed together and share the membership rather than spend money on a winner take all fight.

 

[LD3]

Or they could collaborate with US management to pit the membership against themselves and add "ancillary duties" to the CBA and ensure workers failing to perform the ancillary duties are deemed insubordinate and subject to termination. Sound familiar?

Josh

Sounds like you and your cube mates in Tempe have it figured out....troll

 

[737823]

I don't always agree with 700 esp when it comes to politics but your stalking of him is rather creepy. Do you peak in his windows too?

Creepy? You mean like 700's attacks on Tim Nelson and AMFAinMiami? This is a forum to discuss the airlines, hence the name. It is a place people ask questions, share ideas and information. If you don't like reading my posts, feel free to place me on ignore.

Josh

 

[700UW]

I dont attack anyone, I post facts and things that have happened.

Unlike you, you are the king of misinformation even when you are shown to be wrong you constantly repeat your lies.

 

[737823]

You still haven't explained why the fighting machinist facilitated UAL transitioning MHT and MIA to UAX employees. You attack whenever people you don't like ask questions and you don't like the answers.

Josh