Anti-AFA Delta FA's On US 1549

[dapoes]

I am not going to get on this positive attitude kick...even though this reminds me of a story!

but honestly you do not want to always think your opinions will never change, because you may be wrong or you may be right..
someone may actually be telling someone exactly the way it is and unfortunately some people may have to go through the mistake.. in order to realize they should have at least kept their options open in the first place!

Ok...you are right.

 

[Dignity]

Ok...you are right.

its not that I am right, its just a way to keep in mind..

 

[Airlinelifer]

"Fair minded replacement" nice choice of words. :down: You mean union handcuffs right?

Dapoes, how many years have you been at Delta, in the airline industry?

 

[LukeAisleWalker]

Dapoes, how many years have you been at Delta, in the airline industry?

One of the interesting (and concerning) things about this NoWayAFA Facebook group is that so many of their most outspoken members have such little time with the company. For instance, one gentleman posted some court filings from the 1999 f/a drug testing incident claiming that he had very recently flown with a LAX pro-union f/a and she "lied" about the court findings and monetary judgements. Now, this LAX f/a was misinformed, yes..but intentionally lie? Why, when those documents are easily researched and most of us know of the settlement/judgement?
What he did was completely miss the point. Yes, Ms Ishikara (the accused but later exonerated f/a) received a settlement but it was what she went through BEFORE the court date that was so detrimental. The poster (who is a 2008 hire) wasn't even employed at Delta 10 years ago!!
I know one of the f/a's that was also accused for providing a urine sample "not consistent with human urine" and her life turned into a living hell until THE SAME THING HAPPENED TO A PILOT; ALPA GOT THEIR PEOPLE ON IT AND FOUND THE LAB TO BE IN ERROR. That is the ONLY reason these f/a's recv'd their judgements and/or got their jobs back! I remember our VP, IFS at the time (S. Wibben) vigorously defending the Lab that did the testing.
Yet these newbies think they know it all. It's amazing!

There are some others there, one outspoken lady in particular ,that if you look at her schedule, she hasn't flown in months and months! Not even in December!! You only see an occassional "special assignment." How can you really care about your coworkers having a voice in their workplace when you aren't ever in the workplace to begin with? Of course she doesn't want to rock the boat! Her cushy life may be over if a new contract is negotiated that may be beneficial to full-time flyers over the people who drop most or all of their trips every month.

And finally, the majority of them ask for respectful discourse but those same folks rarely, if ever, provide it. We know this from the origination of this thread and the disrespectful questioning/verbage that was made from one of their members on the US1549 f/a crew. (The thread that they finally pulled down off facebook.)

On the flip side, I am glad some of them are asking legitimate questions of AFA leadership, particularly when it comes to dues, budgets and officer salaries. There are some there who are really trying to get answers to questions they don't know and are somewhat respectful about it. But many goad and taunt those with opposite opinions. It's really quite off-putting.
Oh well....freedom of speech is still a good thing.

 

[Dignity]

For instance, one gentleman posted some court filings from the 1999 f/a drug testing incident... about the court findings

I had no idea that 1999 incident even happened...the case was a very interesting read...

THE SAME THING HAPPENED TO A PILOT; ALPA GOT THEIR PEOPLE ON IT AND FOUND THE LAB TO BE IN ERROR. That is the ONLY reason these f/a's recv'd their judgements and/or got their jobs back! I remember our VP, IFS at the time...vigorously defending the Lab that did the testing.

this is what bothers me with that incident...the conclusion can be..they dont know their people if thats the case...they dont know them at all or didnt.

while I understand the need to follow procedures...to totally defend someone else without taking into consideration an individual they should already know.. based on work history and personal performance without raising a few questions about the authenticity of a result.. is troubling to me.

after so many years.. a person should be able to get a general idea what type of person someone may be...to take the word over someone who one basically does not know at all, and then dismiss by 100 percent someone they should know at least by an established history seems very unfair.

one error as mentioned.. can destroy someone's life...I would only hope someone..anyone would at least say..wait a minute here...we need to look at this more closely...this is not an indicator of this persons past performance.

a real leader(focused on fairness) should have at least said this....."lets take a second look".. especially when the individual ended up totally innocent.

Oh well....freedom of speech is still a good thing.

we should all be thankful.. we live in a country that is our right..

 

[Kev3188]

What he did was completely miss the point. Yes, Ms Ishikara (the accused but later exonerated f/a) received a settlement but it was what she went through BEFORE the court date that was so detrimental. The poster (who is a 2008 hire) wasn't even employed at Delta 10 years ago!!
I know one of the f/a's that was also accused for providing a urine sample "not consistent with human urine" and her life turned into a living hell until THE SAME THING HAPPENED TO A PILOT; ALPA GOT THEIR PEOPLE ON IT AND FOUND THE LAB TO BE IN ERROR. That is the ONLY reason these f/a's recv'd their judgements and/or got their jobs back! I remember our VP, IFS at the time (S. Wibben) vigorously defending the Lab that did the testing.
Yet these newbies think they know it all. It's amazing!

I lived/worked in PDX when this happened. It was a *big* deal in the press, and DL suffered a lot of bad PR for their jumping to conclusions. I wonder if Mrs. Ishikara knows how many people in the Rose City were behind her at the time?

There are some others there, one outspoken lady in particular ,that if you look at her schedule, she hasn't flown in months and months! Not even in December!! You only see an occassional "special assignment." How can you really care about your coworkers having a voice in their workplace when you aren't ever in the workplace to begin with? Of course she doesn't want to rock the boat! Her cushy life may be over if a new contract is negotiated that may be beneficial to full-time flyers over the people who drop most or all of their trips every month.

Maybe her "special assignments" consist of posting on boards like FB and this one?

And finally, the majority of them ask for respectful discourse but those same folks rarely, if ever, provide it.

They're only nice until you point out something that goes against what they've been spoon fed, or, worse if it causes them to rethink their beliefs. Ever notice how their postings are actually passive-aggressive statements phrased as questions?

On the flip side, I am glad some of them are asking legitimate questions of AFA leadership, particularly when it comes to dues, budgets and officer salaries.

I am too. BTW, Danny Campbell has really gone above and beyond when it comes to trying to show people the facts.

There are some there who are really trying to get answers to questions they don't know and are somewhat respectful about it. But many goad and taunt those with opposite opinions. It's really quite off-putting.
Oh well....freedom of speech is still a good thing.

This seems to be consistent no matter what board I'm on. What's the deal with that?

 

[dapoes]

They're only nice until you point out something that goes against what they've been spoon fed, or, worse if it causes them to rethink their beliefs. Ever notice how their postings are actually passive-aggressive statements phrased as questions?

You mean like yours? Irony at its best. :down:

 

[Kev3188]

You could not be more wrong.

Did I hit a little close to home?

 

[jalbalpa]

The sad part is tha she wasn't the only one...

Delta Airlines urged to reinstate flight attendants after possibly faulty drug testing.
Publication: Airline Industry Information
Date: Wednesday, March 1 2000


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The Association of Flight Attendants (AFA), has urged the CEO of Delta Airline to reinstate up to 12 flight attendants who were dismissed due to possibly faulty drug testing procedures by the carrier.


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Friend, the president of the AFA, has written a letter to Delta Air Lines suggesting that its drug testing procedure may be flawed and that readings showing samples provided being 'not consistent with human urine' could be explained due to ethnicity, body weight, water consumption, medication and other mitigating circumstances.

Friend particularly highlighted the case of Yasuko Ishikawa who was recently fired for returning an inconsistent test result, despite the fact she had a flawless, seven-year service record as a flight attendant. Delta Air Lines has apparently refused to consider any reasons for why the result may have occurred as well as refusing Ishikawa a retest.

The AFA has asked Delta Air Lines to reinstate the 12 flight attendants fired under its current drug testing policy and stated that it believes new testing methods will be introduced that will provide more accurate results. A letter explaining the situation regarding the potentially flawed testing procedure has also been sent to the US Department of Transportation Secretary Rodney Slater.

Delta Air Lines' 20,000 or so flight attendants are currently not represented by a union but are in the process of attempting to win representation by the AFA according to the union.

 

[dapoes]

You could not be more wrong.
Did I hit a little close to home?

Maybe in your own back yard perhaps.

 

[Kev3188]

Maybe in your own back yard perhaps.

What does that even mean?

 

[jalbalpa]

What does that even mean?

Kev, when what you say is right...Dapoes comes back with something that makes absolutely no sense...

So I guess what you said did hit home.

BTW expect another meaningless post shortly...

 

[dapoes]

Kev, when what you say is right...Dapoes comes back with something that makes absolutely no sense...

So I guess what you said did hit home.

BTW expect another meaningless post shortly...

Its just as meaningless as:

You could not be more wrong.
Did I hit a little close to home?

 

[jalbalpa]

See...I told you.

That train's never late!

 

[Kev3188]

Awesome. Just awesome...

I'm hoping to be referred to as "Tiger" again soon!