Anti-AFA Delta FA's On US 1549

[Dignity]

and Kev

I recall you called Kev a "Tiger" how was that you put it? um..."Rawrrr" :wub: ?

 

[dapoes]

No smug superiority here...

When/if the 2 of you ever decide to answer the questions asked of you with more than emoticon riddled responses, you might see a change in how you're perceived. Rational discussion would be a nice change of pace. Anything of substance will do...

While I'm at it, I'm not sure I'd be so quick to adopt someone like Southwind as an ally; he's an embarrassment even to those of you who are anti-worker.

Thank you for ever so apparent example of ""superiority and self-righteousness".

 

[LukeAisleWalker]

Thank you for ever so apparent example of ""superiority and self-righteousness".

You are perceiving it as superior and self-righteous because, I think, of your insecurity.
Kev has stated a fact. You have not answered, on many occasions, the questions asked of you.
Even Bababooy urged you to get the facts on the Ishikara/drug testing case but you just breezed on by and didn't answer him.
If you go back and read my posts, I have on occasion apologized or admitted when I was incorrect. Do I get frustrated with people who don't, won't answer questions? Yes. I am human.
But I have NEVER second-guessed the heroic efforts of a group of brave FAs like the member from your cheerleading group did. I have never started a discussion group and issued a no name-calling rule and proceeded to do the very same thing I stated in my board "rules" was unacceptable. THOSE are my points. If you are going to put yourself out there (the Facebook admins.), and I appreciate their doing that (go back and read the very first post I made when I started this topic), then you are setting a standard for yourself that you should adhere to and if you don't, then be prepared to be called out on it. It is as simple as that. They have no problem calling Pat Friend and Danny C. out so I am merely doing the same. It's called accountability.

 

[dapoes]

You are perceiving it as superior and self-righteous because, I think, of your insecurity.

And thank you for your example of "superiority and self-righteousness".

Kev has stated a fact. You have not answered, on many occasions, the questions asked of you.

No its just that he has to be right..all the time. If not then he dismisses you.

Even Bababooy urged you to get the facts on the Ishikara/drug testing case but you just breezed on by and didn't answer him.

Err, not so fast...I never brought up the subject, know nothing about it, so declined to make an opinion either way.

I have never started a discussion group and issued a no name-calling rule and proceeded to do the very same thing I stated in my board "rules" was unacceptable. THOSE are my points. If you are going to put yourself out there (the Facebook admins.), and I appreciate their doing that (go back and read the very first post I made when I started this topic), then you are setting a standard for yourself that you should adhere to and if you don't, then be prepared to be called out on it. It is as simple as that. They have no problem calling Pat Friend and Danny C. out so I am merely doing the same. It's called accountability.

And at they same time those Danny C, Valdez, etc are guilty of the same. So i guess everyone can be considered human and not free from fault after all.

 

[Dignity]

you know this reminds me of a story..

I dont really want to get into the details because, well..

I tend to go on, but to sum it all up..remember..

you are always the hero of your own story

 

[Dignity]

No smug superiority here...

is it possible.. it is actually a good attitude combined with superior ability.. having a knowledge of what has happened.. that may only be perceived self-righteous.. to those who do not have a clear idea.. but will learn?

 

[BABABOOY]

Dapoes,

I know you have been busy going around and around here,
but did you get a chance to read up on Yasuko Ishikawa?
I am curious as to what your thoughts are.

 

[Kev3188]

It's been 12 days since she was first asked her opinion...

Maybe you'll have better luck?

 

[dapoes]

Dapoes,

I know you have been busy going around and around here,
but did you get a chance to read up on Yasuko Ishikawa?
I am curious as to what your thoughts are.

Wheres the article? Only one I found was on Goliath. Is that what you are referring to?
http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/summary_0199-31302_ITM

ps. dont talk to me kev. Im still jilted at you.

 

[Dignity]

after reading the story the lab reported her test as substituted when in fact it was dilute.. there is a huge difference here, one report finds that she provided a specimen that was inconsistent with human origin yet in fact.. she simply had consumed water and tea prior to the testing which in fact was still human origin.. but because of the consumption prior it should have been labeled a dilute sample.

there are creatinine levels in a sample provided..apparently a 5. or lower is considered substituted.. her sample showed creatinine levels of 5.3 (because of the consumption of water and tea) what they did was take her score of 5.3 and round it down to a 5!!

and then reported the test substituted and she was fired when in fact it was passing and actually a dilute sample.

thankfully her sample was split and proved it was dilute sample, in essence she did absolutely nothing wrong, and there wasn't even any drugs found at all either. the only thing she did was simply drink a lot of water! and that is what we all do on the airplane to stay hydrated regardless!

my thought on this would be..

when something does not seem right(especially taking into consideration an employee with a good work record) I would honestly hope someone would take the initiative to take a second look before actually terminating someone!..

the sad part about all of this is simple it could have all been avoided had they simply tested her split sample(at another facility) which proved the creatinine level was a 5.3 instead of a 5 as reported!



the story is simply incredible, thank you for bringing it to our attention.

 

[dapoes]

after reading the story the lab reported her test as substituted when in fact it was dilute.. there is a huge difference here, one report finds that she provided a specimen that was inconsistent with human origin yet in fact.. she simply had consumed water and tea prior to the testing which in fact was still human origin.. but because of the consumption prior it should have been labeled a dilute sample.

there are creatinine levels in a sample provided..apparently a 5. or lower is considered substituted.. her sample showed creatinine levels of 5.3 (because of the consumption of water and tea) what they did was take her score of 5.3 and round it down to a 5!!

and then reported the test substituted and she was fired when in fact it was passing and actually a dilute sample.

thankfully her sample was split and proved it was dilute sample, in essence she did absolutely nothing wrong, and there wasn't even any drugs found at all either. the only thing she did was simply drink a lot of water! and that is what we all do on the airplane to stay hydrated regardless!

my thought on this would be..

when something does not seem right(especially taking into consideration an employee with a good work record) I would honestly hope someone would take the initiative to take a second look before actually terminating someone!..

the sad part about all of this is simple it could have all been avoided had they simply tested her split sample and which proved the creatinine level was a 5.3 instead of a 5 as reported!



the story is simply incredible, thank you for bringing it to our attention.

So it seems the testing companies were at fault for the way they handled the testing right?

 

[Dignity]

Wheres the article?

since it was an actual court case and reported in the media, all you have to do is a search, pages of the story is available!

 

[Kev3188]

ps. dont talk to me kev. Im still jilted at you.

Good thing I was talking to Bababooy then.

No matter; you'll come around; I'm magnetic like that... LOL

Seriously, talking to me or not, keep looking for articles on this incident. As mentioned earlier, I'm still curious on your "take."

 

[Dignity]

So it seems the testing companies were at fault for the way they handled the testing right?

apparently the entire situation was handled poorly by all involved.

 

[BABABOOY]

So it seems the testing companies were at fault for the way they handled the testing right?

Yes, and so was Delta. Please read. Also her personal account of how
she was treated by Management. Delta even sent a Japaneese supervisor
up to PDX from LAX to "speak" to her about resigning to save her "Honor".
She received no support whatsoever from Delta managment.
They wanted her gone (along with several others) and refused to
admit that there just might be a problem with the facility. Delta
chose to side with the testing facilitiy rather than their own employees.