Another School Massacre

[Knotbuyinit]

More self-defense advice from the village idiot Biden via Field and Stream.

"Just fire the shotgun through the door"!

F&S: What about the other uses, for self-defense and target practice?

V.P. BIDEN: Well, the way in which we measure it is—I think most scholars would say—is that as long as you have a weapon sufficient to be able to provide your self-defense. I did one of these town-hall meetings on the Internet and one guy said, “Well, what happens when the end days come? What happens when there’s the earthquake? I live in California, and I have to protect myself.”

I said, “Well, you know, my shotgun will do better for you than your AR-15, because you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door.” Most people can handle a shotgun a hell of a lot better than they can a semiautomatic weapon in terms of both their aim and in terms of their ability to deter people coming. We can argue whether that’s true or not, but it is no argument that, for example, a shotgun could do the same job of protecting you. Now, granted, you can come back and say, “Well, a machine gun could do a better job of protecting me.” No one’s arguing we should make machine guns legal.

http://www.fieldands...biden-interview

 

[delldude]

 

[signals]

I know facts are easy to overlook, but the fact is - if a thug...or even a marauding hoarde...hears a dog bark, they go somewhere else. Because the dog alerts the homeowner and the thug or marauding hoards have no idea what the homeowner has.

Someone posted a lot of "home invasion" stories to "prove" how wrong I was, but most of them weren't really home invasions but were drug related, one was thwarted by a GUY going "what's going on here", and no note was made if the other had a dog.

Point being - you could have a Pomeranian yapping at the door, but that takes the element of surprise out of the attack - and the attacker more than likely move on to another home.

When my dog was a pup, I used to go home at lunch to let her out to pee. I was having lunch at home in my neighborhood made up mostly of dual income families, meaning no one was usually home. The doorbell rang and the dog started barking. I went to the door, only to see the person leaving. I guess he was a shy door to door sales rep. I called the police anyway, but the fact of the matter is - the person casing MY house walked off...thanks to that loveable old lab.

Which brings to mind something else...do you answer your door with your Glock in your hand? Because if you don't, and you answer a knock your door, and on the other side is a thug intent of doing what thugs do, you're sort of up the creek if you don't have that gun on you.

So you wasted police resources on the assumption that the person was an evil doer? Thanks for ripping off the taxpayer because that's what you do when you call the cops to report an incident where there was no crime.

Also, mace and pepper spray can immobolize mastiffs and pitbulls. If the person was truly a shady type, he would have a gun if he chooses to come to your house while your at home. If it was a stalker he would be well aware that you came home and had a dog.

Bottom line: If it was an evil person it would take more than a dog wonder to save you! Most home breakins during working hours are usually committed by the local teens that live on your block.

When it comes to gun laws, being as paranoid as you are, you shouldn't own a gun because you are more likely to shoot first and let God sort them out

 

[southwind]

Don't need them. Had one labrador retriever get rid of one. The two I have now keep me feeling pretty safe...especially the younger one that has that nasty bark and that badass neck hair thing going on

Do bullets bounce off of him too ?

Where do I send your "Gun Free Zone" yard sign to, so can show your support to disarm law abiding American citizens ?

 

[KCFlyer]

Do bullets bounce off of him too ?

Where do I send your "Gun Free Zone" yard sign to, so can show your support to disarm law abiding American citizens ?

Hey Southwind...if your neighborhood is one where your neighbors wouldn't call the police after hearing a gunshot, you might want to move.

I know this is simplistic, but bad guy wants to break into house. Dog barks at bad guy. Dog barking alerts homeowner that something is amiss. Bad guy doesn't know if it's me...gun free Joe....or if it's you and your Uzi who will come to investigate. So in most cases, that dog barking will send him packing. Or, that's the way it seems to have worked in the past. I wish the news coverage of these home invasions would mention if the dog was shot first, but they don't ever seem to mention that. But If the barking dog doesn't deter the bad guy and the bad guy shoots the dog, the the neighbors on either side of me and across the street and behind me are likely to call the police or investigate for themselves why guns were being shot in a suburban neighborhood.

But let's assume that nobody will notice that barking dog, gunshot and suddenly quiet dog. Well...then in that case I guess I'm toast.

 

[delldude]

Hey Southwind...if your neighborhood is one where your neighbors wouldn't call the police after hearing a gunshot, you might want to move.

I ring your doorbell, I'm casing your house? Calla da cops....

Hear a gunshot, calla da cops?

You sure waste precious police response time.

Hear a gunshot..................the cop gets there, no one is around....
Your doorbell....you got to be kidding me.

One thing if you got a gunfight next door....

Oh, wait....someones casing my house.....the doorbell rang.......

 

[KCFlyer]

I ring your doorbell, I'm casing your house? Calla da cops....

Hear a gunshot, calla da cops?

You sure waste precious police response time.

Hear a gunshot..................the cop gets there, no one is around....
Your doorbell....you got to be kidding me.

One thing if you got a gunfight next door....

Oh, wait....someones casing my house.....the doorbell rang.......

Okay...your doorbell rings. Do you answer the door holding your Glock? If not, what if the guy on the other side is holding his?

 

[delldude]

Okay...your doorbell rings. Do you answer the door holding your Glock? If not, what if the guy on the other side is holding his?

So you're telling me you are afraid to go to your door without a cop?
What happened to that blood thirsty Lab?

First off, you aren't required to answer your door if you don't want to.
And that example you gave IMHO was a door to door vendor who heard your dog barking and figured no one was home and left.

No, i don't answer my door with a gun, however there is a baseball bat right there.....and several other options close by if needed.

If you got fears over your door, ever think of an intercom?

'get off my property or I'm calling the police'

Or better yet, security cameras? In this day and age, in court.....its in your back pocket.

I'm considering just that.....due to some vandals in the 'hood.

 

[KCFlyer]

One thing I gotta add Dell...Do marauding hordes typically ring the doorbell? Back in the good old days when nogoodniks worked alone or in pairs, they typically didn't ring the doorbell.

And my dog tends to bark long before you ever get to the front porch. According to southwind, all a nogoodnik has to do is shoot the dog. Now. If all is peaceful in the house and the dog starts going nuts - does the nogoodnik continue heading for the door so he can shoot the dog, or does he hesitate for a moment and wonder if he is standing in Dell or South's driveway where they are armed enough to take on the Red Army single handedly. In the old days, the dog barking was sufficient to send the nogoodnik on his way.

But today...time are different. Thugs and marauding hordes will not only come to the door, they will shoot the dog and then turn their guns on you...assuming of course that you don't own a gun because if you did, that dog's last act most likely got you to pick up YOUR gun.

Now as we have heard todays neothug won't back down...even if the homeowner who was alerted by his now dead dog emerges with his 7 shot gun appears from around the corner. They will stand their ground and fight their way into your home...having the presence of mind to count your shots so that at number 7, they LEAP out from hiding, and shoot you so that they can steal your DVD player. Or at least that's what I'm hearing from you guys.

 

[delldude]

One thing I gotta add Dell...Do marauding hordes typically ring the doorbell? Back in the good old days when nogoodniks worked alone or in pairs, they typically didn't ring the doorbell.

And my dog tends to bark long before you ever get to the front porch. According to southwind, all a nogoodnik has to do is shoot the dog. Now. If all is peaceful in the house and the dog starts going nuts - does the nogoodnik continue heading for the door so he can shoot the dog, or does he hesitate for a moment and wonder if he is standing in Dell or South's driveway where they are armed enough to take on the Red Army single handedly. In the old days, the dog barking was sufficient to send the nogoodnik on his way.

But today...time are different. Thugs and marauding hordes will not only come to the door, they will shoot the dog and then turn their guns on you...assuming of course that you don't own a gun because if you did, that dog's last act most likely got you to pick up YOUR gun.

Now as we have heard todays neothug won't back down...even if the homeowner who was alerted by his now dead dog emerges with his 7 shot gun appears from around the corner. They will stand their ground and fight their way into your home...having the presence of mind to count your shots so that at number 7, they LEAP out from hiding, and shoot you so that they can steal your DVD player. Or at least that's what I'm hearing from you guys.

Now listen KC, all you got to do is fire your shotgun through the front door like our Vice President said to do.

You have hordes of marauding youth where you live?

Now you are concerned about them standing outside and counting how many caps you busted off so they can come in......7 shots not enough now? I never met anyone who was in a gunfight who had too many bullets......

KC, you don't go out, you let them come into your controlled confine where you know all the angles.Most likely hole up in the bedroom and dispatch anyone who attempts to come through the bedroom door....the DVD at this point in time is incidental.

 

[KCFlyer]

You have hordes of marauding youth where you live? Nope. But from what I have read, limiting guns to a maximum of 7 shots is just asking for trouble. And the justification has been not just one or two...but 5 attackers and then someone posts a video of a 70 something year old lady chasing 5 attackers out and firing only two shots that we went up to 7 and finally the Red Army to justify having more than 7 shots.

Now you are concerned about them standing outside and counting how many caps you busted off so they can come in......7 shots not enough now? I never met anyone who was in a gunfight who had too many bullets...... I never met anybody in a neighborhood gunfight...but I wish I had a link....someone posted in on another board I post to...the (fictional) story or a man who loved his kid and wife and worked two jobs to support them who is pursued by someone in a car...when he gets out...BANG....a gunshot rings out. He grabs his own gun with his legal 7 shot capacity in it and begins firing....one....two..you get the idea. Until he hears the sickening sound of "click"...and the bad guys counted the shots....knew he had no more bullets...and killed him. Heart touching (if fictional) story that illustrates (I suppose) that bad guys are indeed counting shots.

KC, you don't go out, you let them come into your controlled confine where you know all the angles.Most likely hole up in the bedroom and dispatch anyone who attempts to come through the bedroom door....the DVD at this point in time is incidental. And my point in this "guns solve everything" discussion is that it has been proven that the simple act of a dog barking thwarts many break ins. BUT....to prove the value of the right to own a gun, the thug no longer turns and leaves when a dog is barking in a home - they shoot the dog. And I guess when I bring up "wouldn't your neighbors call the cops if they heard gunshots in a suburban neighborhood" issue, the thugs are using silencers.

 

[SparrowHawk]

The bottom line kiddies is you have a right to self defense. Doesn't matter the circumstances.

 

[Knotbuyinit]

And my point in this "guns solve everything" discussion is that it has been proven that the simple act of a dog barking thwarts many break ins. BUT....to prove the value of the right to own a gun, the thug no longer turns and leaves when a dog is barking in a home - they shoot the dog. And I guess when I bring up "wouldn't your neighbors call the cops if they heard gunshots in a suburban neighborhood" issue, the thugs are using silencers.

There's about 30 pages and 2,150,000 hits. Yes, the even shoot a chocolate Labrador retriever.
https://www.google.c...iw=1311&bih=605

 

[KCFlyer]

There's about 30 pages and 2,150,000 hits. Yes, the even shoot a chocolate Labrador retriever.
https://www.google.c...iw=1311&bih=605

Not to be picky, but those hits by default use the word "or", which means that the words "dog" OR "home" OR "shot" OR "invasion" will show up. And quite honestly, I'm surprised there weren't more hits than that. Now...if you qualify that search by looking for an exact match for "home invasion" and "dog shot", your number of hits will decrease by 99%. NIce try though

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_rn=5&gs_ri=psy-ab&gs_mss=%22home%20Invasion%22%20and%20&tok=0sy8YfBFrg3N6RuY9fHaTw&pq=home%20invasion%20shoots%20dog&cp=30&gs_id=2ec&xhr=t&q=%22home%20Invasion%22%20and%20%22dog%20shot%22&es_nrs=true&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&oq=%22home+Invasion%22+and+%22dog+shot%22&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=bf0321ba71324d66&biw=1079&bih=539

 

[delldude]

I'll kill them a million times.....