Another School Massacre

[Ms Tree]

Per your following observation; we've no argument. "THE USA IS NOT A FREE COUNTRY.... alone on those grounds.... and I could go on naming you reasons as to why your free country is not as free as you think it is, ..."

I've seen more personal liberty eroded in my lifetime than anyone could have ever even dreamed of in times of my childhood. The once vaunted "American People" have increasingly acted the part of herded, pathetic little sheep that now tolerate such BS as police traffic "Checkpoints"...CHECKPOINTS! for the love of God!..just to CHECK if people are under the influence, or even for frikkin' wearing seat belts!...As if wearing seat belts is properly ANY of the government's damm business! Any person now even traveling by air's made a "suspect". The list of what's been lost in the way of sanity and respect for individual Rights staggers the imagination of even those of us who've seen this situation deteriorate for decades. In addition to reasonable notions towards self and loved ones' defense: My concern is that the last shreds of actual Freedom go out the window the moment any populace is rendered helpless against it's government.

"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." Thomas Jefferson

Come seriously? Sobriety check points and airport security are the examples you use to demonstrate loss of freedom? How about tossing in speed limits, labor laws and food safety requirements for good measure?

People drive drunk. Drunk people kill people. How else do you plan on catching them? I guess we could wait till they kill someone but that kind of takes the fun out of it don't you think?

People have a tenancy to bring things on to planes they are not supposed to. A few of these people have even on so far as to hijacked the planes. How do you plan on catching then
M?

No society will ever be totally free. There will always be limitations on freedoms. You cannot drive as fast as you want. You cannot get a 10 year old to work your fields and if ou ate going to serve food to people there are certain laws you must abide by.

Total freedom is anarchy. To live in a civilized society we accept certain limitations.

 

[signals]

I asked you to show me something that you can do in the USA, that you can't do anywhere else in this world.

You can wear a bikini, hell - even go naked in Brazil, and most European countries. And even hold a bible to cover your genitals... if you must. LOL

Again, show me something that you can do in the USA, that you can't do anywhere else in this world.

You are giving me your typical "the communist are gonna come get me," "the Arabs/muslims are bad people," and so on - typical American paranoia non-sense ramble.

CONCENTRATE and FOCUS pleazzzz.... something that you can do in the USA, that you can't do anywhere else in this world.

As a Naturalized Citizen the answer is simple...
In the USA you get the delusion that you vote for your President!

 

[ContUNITEus]

I might have misunderstood your question but a woman cannot drive in Saudi Arabia but she can drive here.

To clarify, and I have a lot of respect for you...

What I mean is that there is this unjustified connection between the right to own a gun and the idea of America - because of that - being the freest country in the world. That assertion is just absurd. You don't have to have the right to own a gun in order to feel free.

But people here in America have this notion that somehow the USA is the best country in the world with the most liberal laws for it's people - giving an example (in current days) the right to have a gun. Such is absolutely not the case. By no mean is this a free country. There is a limit on the things that you can do LEGALLY. In fact, one could argue, almost the opposite, hence I posted as an example, the simple things in life that are regulated and dictated by the government, such as the color of your house, which in some undeveloped countries - such laws don't exist. My dad always used to criticize Germany for having so many rules and regulations about stupid stuff. Come to find out, here in America it is almost the same.

There are countries where you don't have to have a license to go fishing, for example. In the good all USofA, you are required by law to have a license even for that.

A free country is one where you could almost do everything without having to pay for some sort of license, fee or tax for it. These governments do a lot of these things just in order to generate money. In that sense, America is a very regulated country and by far as free as it could possibly be.

My question was for anyone to name the one thing that you can do here in America, without any regulations, restrictions, fees or taxes that you can't do anywhere else in the world. I can guarantee you that you will have trouble finding something that you can do here EXCLUSIVELY that you cannot do anywhere else. I can however name you things that you can do somewhere else, that you can't do in the USA.

To me, freedom is being able to go where I want to go when I want to go... for free without having to pay for it - such as a national park or a beach with free parking. Freedom is being able to do with MY PROPERTY whatever pleases me, without anyone (especially the government) having an objection to it. If I want to paint my house bright blue or pink, then so be it. I want to own dogs without having to pay fees and taxes for it.

And so on...

 

[ContUNITEus]

As a Naturalized Citizen the answer is simple...
In the USA you get the delusion that you vote for your President!

BINGO....

LOL thumbs up from me...

One brownie point from me...

 

[KCFlyer]

My question was for anyone to name the one thing that you can do here in America, without any regulations, restrictions, fees or taxes that you can't do anywhere else in the world. I can guarantee you that you will have trouble finding something that you can do here EXCLUSIVELY that you cannot do anywhere else. I can however name you things that you can do somewhere else, that you can't do in the USA.

I agree with you, but I would take it a step further...name one thing a person can do here that you can't do anywhere else that is a direct result of citizens owning guns.

Over the past 100 years, my grandfather fought for our freedoms in WW1 - with a government issued gun. My father fought for our freedoms in WW2 - with government issued guns. Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Iraq, Afghanistan...all were fought with guns supplied by the government. But I am really at a loss to identify one freedom we have here that nobody else has simply because Americans are allowed to own guns.

 

[Dog Wonder]

How sublimely "profound". Viewing all of existence from the confines of one's own arse doesn't much serve to enhance overall awareness either.

You got a telescopic scope up your arse?

 

[delldude]

I agree with you, but I would take it a step further...name one thing a person can do here that you can't do anywhere else that is a direct result of citizens owning guns.

Over the past 100 years, my grandfather fought for our freedoms in WW1 - with a government issued gun. My father fought for our freedoms in WW2 - with government issued guns. Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Iraq, Afghanistan...all were fought with guns supplied by the government. But I am really at a loss to identify one freedom we have here that nobody else has simply because Americans are allowed to own guns.

It all started one fine day with the Declaration of Independence and a rag tag bunch of colonial gun owners.

 

[KCFlyer]

It all started one fine day with the Declaration of Independence and a rag tag bunch of colonial gun owners.

And the country apparently hasn't changed a bit, has it? What that ragtag bunch did was create a government that you don't trust.

BTW...we were fighting the British back then. What freedoms do we have today that the British don't?

 

[Ms Tree]

To clarify, and I have a lot of respect for you...

What I mean is that there is this unjustified connection between the right to own a gun and the idea of America - because of that - being the freest country in the world. That assertion is just absurd. You don't have to have the right to own a gun in order to feel free.

Agreed. I understand your question now. I believe you are correct.

 

[delldude]

And the country apparently hasn't changed a bit, has it? What that ragtag bunch did was create a government that you don't trust.

BTW...we were fighting the British back then. What freedoms do we have today that the British don't?

No death panels , yet..........

 

[KCFlyer]

No death panels , yet..........

NOt real certain that the Brit's have those either. Of course, a google search turns up a plethora of hits...all right wing oddly enough. But how come when Palin cited the British NHS, enough British citizens...not right wing bloggers...disagreed on twitter that it crashed the site? But why believe a citizen over a right wing blogger.

 

[delldude]

NOt real certain that the Brit's have those either. Of course, a google search turns up a plethora of hits...all right wing oddly enough. But how come when Palin cited the British NHS, enough British citizens...not right wing bloggers...disagreed on twitter that it crashed the site? But why believe a citizen over a right wing blogger.

Learn how to search.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9325667/Doctors-face-ban-on-denying-treatment-to-elderly.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/elderly-
are-being-denied-vital-surgery-just-because-they-are-old-8211018.html

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/elderly-patients-being-denied-cancer-1498142

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2126379/Sentenced-death-old-The-NHS-denies-life-saving-treatment-elderly-mans-chilling-story-reveals.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1367565/Cancer-treatment-denied-people-older.html

Oh, but they're not death panels....

 

[EastUS1]

To me, freedom is being able to go where I want to go when I want to go... for free without having to pay for it - such as a national park or a beach with free parking. Freedom is being able to do with MY PROPERTY whatever pleases me, without anyone (especially the government) having an objection to it. If I want to paint my house bright blue or pink, then so be it. I want to own dogs without having to pay fees and taxes for it.

And so on...

Perhaps surprisingly; we're far more in agreement than not here.

"To me, freedom is being able to go where I want to go when I want to go..." I couldn't agree more, and it's NO business of "Big Brother" to whimsically interfere with that, by way of "Checkpoints" for such dire issues as even seat belts, or whatever else their whims dictate to generate more money and "criminalize" citizens for. "Hey!..You MIGHT be drunk" isn't much in the way of "Probable Cause" to stop anyone...and I won't even address the seat belts or tag/licence BS that only amounts to: "Hey! You MIGHT be somebody we can shake down, like little thugs, for some money today!".

"Freedom is being able to do with MY PROPERTY whatever pleases me, without anyone (especially the government) having an objection to it. " Fine. Show the rest of us that same respect then. Don't tell such as myself that I should give the worthless damned government my personally owned and properly paid for weapons.

"I want to own dogs without having to pay fees and taxes for it." I couldn't agree more. What POSSIBLE, proper business is it of the glorious government to interfere with people's lives even down to that level?

On weapons again = One thing that's notably overlooked whenever any discuss the perfection of "euro"topias that've disarmed their people is the increased violent crime rate that inevitably follows in the form of home invasions and the like. Don't believe that? Look it up. Criminals, amazingly enough, DO care if their intended victims are possibly armed.

Bottom Line? = “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” Benjamin Franklin.

 

[delldude]

They are all infringements on Constitutional rights because we just let it go that way.

Supreme Court on HC? Didn't see anyone going Greek in the streets.
That's the level of political activism the government needs to see from the citizenship, any less and they correctly assume we don't care.

 

[EastUS1]

.... enough British citizens...not right wing bloggers...disagreed on twitter that it crashed the site? But why believe a citizen over a right wing blogger.

Interesting. So if any disagree with your viewpoint...then they're not really even "citizens" at all, but merely "right wing bloggers"?