Another School Massacre

[Glenn Quagmire]

Not to worry, you have one now and don't even realize it.

Actually, I do. We have the most hawkish Democratic President in a long time. He is also a moderate, not a liberal. That is why it baffles me when people call him a socialist. He may have moved way to the left in his second term if it were not for the Republican House. If the Democrats take the House in 2014, you will see him make amends to his far left liberal base that he has all but left at the alter.

 

[delldude]

They take the house and its hell bent for socialism no if's and's or but's.

You know, not what America wants but what will be deemed best for us.

 

[KCFlyer]

That's not what I asked you.

No, I don't think every school should have a highly armed officer on duty. We can't afford it. Now....you seem like you think having Rambo on campus is worthwhile. How do you pay for it. I gave you numbers for a rookie officer. It's almost $5 billion a year. Where do you get the money?

 

[SparrowHawk]

No, I don't think every school should have a highly armed officer on duty. We can't afford it. Now....you seem like you think having Rambo on campus is worthwhile. How do you pay for it. I gave you numbers for a rookie officer. It's almost $5 billion a year. Where do you get the money?

WOW, $5,000,000,000 a year for our precious children. What's ONE drone cost? Don't we spend close to a billion a day on our undeclared wars around the world?

 

[delldude]

No, I don't think every school should have a highly armed officer on duty. We can't afford it. Now....you seem like you think having Rambo on campus is worthwhile. How do you pay for it. I gave you numbers for a rookie officer. It's almost $5 billion a year. Where do you get the money?

Tell me there's no fat to trim in the school systems across the fruited plain.
Think our teachers would be willing to give some to protect our little children?

You ever hear of Sidewell Friends School in DC?
You president who doesn't think its a good idea to have weapons in schools sends his daughters there among a few other antigunners.....

The school, Sidwell Friends School in Washington, DC, has 11 security officers and is seeking to hire a new police officer as we speak.
If you dismiss this by saying, "Of course they have armed guards -- they get Secret Service protection," then you've missed the larger point.
The larger point is that this is standard operating procedure for the school, period. And this is the reason people like NBC's David Gregory send their kids to Sidwell, they know their kids will be protected from the carnage that befell kids at a school where armed guards weren't used (and weren't even allowed).
Shame on President Obama for seeking more gun control and for trying to prevent the parents of other school children from doing what he has clearly done for his own. His children sit under the protection guns afford, while the children of regular Americans are sacrificed.

 

[Ms Tree]

No! What it means is you made the second dumbest post I've ever read.

The price of Freedom is risk. Government can't and shouldn't attempt to regulate our lives on a minute by minute basis. When you allow maximum liberty you exchange some level of perceived security for that Liberty.

In the Sandy Hook case you have what appears to have been a mildly autistic young man and a highly irresponsible parent as the root cause of the massacre. His weapon of choice was a gun. It could have been a stolen Ford Taurus, a car bomb but it wasn't.

The notion that by registering or confiscating weapons from people who obey the laws of the nation as a preventative medicine defies logic. Think about it. We're fighting several wars that were called "Preventative" in Iraq & Afghanistan/ To date what have they prevented? Nothing.

In a truly free society there will be crazies that will do heinous things with or without guns. I don't recall Mr Bundy or Mr Dahmer using a gun do you?

The answer lies in rigid enforcement of current laws, better security in schools (not armed guard). There is no cheaper deterrent then a locked door during school hours. Moe and continued training for school administrators and students. Cooperation with local law enforcement. There is no valid reason not to have a simple "panic button/bar" in every classroom that when activated calls the police and notifies the administrator who then implements the security plan. All police vehicles should have floor plans of schools readily available on their computers.

Liberty includes the right not to live in fear. Our kids have that right and as adults it's not our job to curtail liberty in exchange for perceived security. It is to preserve the Freedom and Liberty of ALL citizens of the Republic.

The thing is it was not a car or a rope or anything else. It was a gun. Get that through your head for once. Guns are used because they are quick, efficient, clean and easy to use. Gun are all the things that the other items are not. The knife man in China injured some 20 students. Key word is injured. The CT gun man killed some 20 students. Key word is killed. I'll let you figure out which you would rather happen to your kid.


Weapons are regulated. And it does work if the regulations have teeth and are enforced. Go to your local gun store or show and try buying a land mine, RPG, shoulder launched missile, F15 with full avionics..... You can't because they are prohibited and they are very rarely (if at all) found in the hands of criminals.


You are going to compare incompetently run wars in the ME with gun control? What ever floats your boat.


In a truly free society you have what is commonly refereed to as anarchy. We do not have nor would most want a "truly free society".


You mean like the laws in Texas where I can go up to anyone who owns a gun, offer them money and they give me the gun even though I am a convict who will do who knows what with the gun? Those gun laws?


Liberty is not absolute. You cannot slander anyone, you cannot yell fire. You cannot force your religion on people. There are limitations to everything in a civilized society. If you wish to not live in fear then there will be sacrifices that have to be made to live in that society. I wish you would stop pretending that you can have it all. You can't. If you want to prevent accidents like Columbine, Denver, Newton, Tucson and the rest then you have to accept regulations on weapons. If you don't mind the shootings then keep the regulations, such as they are, in place.

 

[Ms Tree]

That has to be the dumbest analogy I have ever seen posted here.

KC may have made the second dumbest post but Sparrow knew he held the topp spot. 😛

 

[delldude]

The thing is it was not a car or a rope or anything else. It was a gun. Get that through your head for once. Guns are used because they are quick, efficient, clean and easy to use. Gun are all the things that the other items are not. The knife man in China injured some 20 students. Key word is injured. The CT gun man killed some 20 students. Key word is killed. I'll let you figure out which you would rather happen to your kid.


Weapons are regulated. And it does work if the regulations have teeth and are enforced. Go to your local gun store or show and try buying a land mine, RPG, shoulder launched missile, F15 with full avionics..... You can't because they are prohibited and they are very rarely (if at all) found in the hands of criminals.


You are going to compare incompetently run wars in the ME with gun control? What ever floats your boat.


In a truly free society you have what is commonly refereed to as anarchy. We do not have nor would most want a "truly free society".


You mean like the laws in Texas where I can go up to anyone who owns a gun, offer them money and they give me the gun even though I am a convict who will do who knows what with the gun? Those gun laws?


Liberty is not absolute. You cannot slander anyone, you cannot yell fire. You cannot force your religion on people. There are limitations to everything in a civilized society. If you wish to not live in fear then there will be sacrifices that have to be made to live in that society. I wish you would stop pretending that you can have it all. You can't. If you want to prevent accidents like Columbine, Denver, Newton, Tucson and the rest then you have to accept regulations on weapons. If you don't mind the shootings then keep the regulations, such as they are, in place.

 

[Ms Tree]

That's the price of Liberty KC. Frankly it's like DUI's. Can you stop them short of doing something ridiculous? NO, you can't! What you can do however is create an environment where they are less likely to occur. Which as a nation we've done a rather commendable job

The same approach is required in school shootings or any act of violence against another. Despite our efforts we still have around 8,000 alcohol related fatalities and no one wants to ban cars or alcohol. This as a society is deemed an acceptable risk in exchange for freedom of movement.

Unless and until we are serious about changing behavior we will have what for some people is unacceptable levels of inappropriate usage of guns. Confiscating them is not the answer and neither is the current status quo.

Do you think there is something other than banning weapons that might work or do the gun rights people like to only work in absolutes? Perhaps something like regulating the sales and transfer of weapons. Something like regulating the storage of weapons when not in use. Perhaps something like stronger penalties for violations of those laws.

 

[Deepthroat]

The thing is it was not a car or a rope or anything else. It was a gun. Get that through your head for once. Guns are used because they are quick, efficient, clean and easy to use. Gun are all the things that the other items are not. The knife man in China injured some 20 students. Key word is injured. The CT gun man killed some 20 students. Key word is killed. I'll let you figure out which you would rather happen to your kid.


Weapons are regulated. And it does work if the regulations have teeth and are enforced. Go to your local gun store or show and try buying a land mine, RPG, shoulder launched missile, F15 with full avionics..... You can't because they are prohibited and they are very rarely (if at all) found in the hands of criminals.


You are going to compare incompetently run wars in the ME with gun control? What ever floats your boat.


In a truly free society you have what is commonly refereed to as anarchy. We do not have nor would most want a "truly free society".


You mean like the laws in Texas where I can go up to anyone who owns a gun, offer them money and they give me the gun even though I am a convict who will do who knows what with the gun? Those gun laws?


Liberty is not absolute. You cannot slander anyone, you cannot yell fire. You cannot force your religion on people. There are limitations to everything in a civilized society. If you wish to not live in fear then there will be sacrifices that have to be made to live in that society. I wish you would stop pretending that you can have it all. You can't. If you want to prevent accidents like Columbine, Denver, Newton, Tucson and the rest then you have to accept regulations on weapons. If you don't mind the shootings then keep the regulations, such as they are, in place.

Have you read Feinsteins answer? It requires ALL weapons to be registered. Her bill is about total eventual confiscation.

 

[Ms Tree]

No, I don't think every school should have a highly armed officer on duty. We can't afford it. Now....you seem like you think having Rambo on campus is worthwhile. How do you pay for it. I gave you numbers for a rookie officer. It's almost $5 billion a year. Where do you get the money?

Columbine had an armed guard on duty at the time of the massacre.

 

[Ms Tree]

Have you read Feinsteins answer? It requires ALL weapons to be registered. Her bill is about total eventual confiscation.

Lol.

 

[Deepthroat]

Lol.

Why would you bother to register all guns? So you know where to go to get them.

 

[Ms Tree]

Why would you bother to register all guns? So you know where to go to get them.

OR

So that you can prevent them from getting into the hands of people who should not have them and hold the owner of the gun responsible for it's use.

 

[delldude]

Columbine had an armed guard on duty at the time of the massacre.

Yeah and he engaged the perp. 60 yds with a handgun is a little out of range. If he had a Bushmaster it would have been over. He called for backup and the protocol at that time was for police to wait outside, not to directly engage. That protocol was changed to direct engagement with the perp. We learn by doing.

Gardner, seeing Harris working with his gun, leaned over the top of the car and fired four shots. He was 60 yards from the gunman. Harris spun hard to the right and Gardner momentarily thought he had hit him. Seconds later, Harris began shooting again at the deputy.
After the exchange of gunfire, Harris ran back into the building. Gardner was able to get on the police radio and called for assistance from other Sheriff’s units. "Shots in the building. I need someone in the south lot with me."