Another School Massacre

[delldude]

Far Left Groups Defeated Connecticut Mental Health Protection Laws Just Months Before Shooting

Let’s talk ACLU instead of NRA.

Connecticut is one of only SIX states in the U.S. that doesn’t have a type of “assisted outpatient treatment” (AOT) law (sometimes referred to as “involuntary outpatient treatment&rdquo😉. There’s no one standard for these types of laws, but (roughly speaking) these are laws that allow for people with mental illness to be forcibly treated BEFORE they commit a serious crime.
Whereas previous legal standards held that the mentally ill cannot be institutionalized or medicated until they harm someone or themselves, or until they express an immediate intent to do so, AOT laws (again, roughly speaking) allow for preventative institutionalization or forced medication
AOT laws vary state-by-state, and often bear the name of a person murdered by an untreated mentally ill person (“Kendra’s Law” in New York, “Laura’s Law” in California, etc.).
Earlier this year, Connecticut considered passing an AOT law (and a weak one, at that), and it failed, due to protests from “civil liberties” groups.​

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[KCFlyer]

Stop dodging. What's your definition of "Is" ? Your the one who brought it into this conversation !

Well South in this case "is" means that the AR15 is about as harmless as the Red Ryder
BB gun we see in the Christmas story

1. It's "only" a 22
2. It's not an automatic since it doesn't have the switch
3. It only holds 10 rounds
4. It was designed to injure, not kill
5. It's less dangerous than a shotgun at close range
6. It requires one pull of the trigger per shot
7. The bullet wouldn't penetrate the teacher whose body was protecting the kids

Yet one of them did a very effective job of killing 26 people in a very short time.

 

[southwind]

No, in this case "IS" is the gunman should have been institutionalized, long before this event................read Dell's post above! Looks to me like it was the Progressive, Liberal Left's fault and not the gun !

 

[southwind]

Try to get some context into your empty skull.

Liberals aren't the only ones mourning murdered first graders..

Why is it your not jumping on KC's and Tree's back for discussing the issue and not mourning ? Oh............double standard !
Time for you and your one sentence reply's to move along, they ain't working here !

 

[KCFlyer]

No, in this case "IS" is the gunman should have been institutionalized, long before this event................read Dell's post above! Looks to me like it was the Progressive, Liberal Left's fault and not the gun !

Most arguments have been to distance the AR15 as an assault weapon by painting as a friendly little gun that certainly shouldn't be banned. I tend to view it as a WMD, as in most cases where we read about them, they have been used that way.

 

[Dog Wonder]

Why is it your not jumping on KC's and Tree's back for discussing the issue and not mourning ? Oh............double standard !

Yes a double standard.

I consider people capable of independent thought differently from those who are stuck in their endless misery and wish to spread it.

 

[does this plane go to paris]

Regarding the strict gun laws of certain states versus lax laws in another, there is still free travel betweeen the states. Even a dumb hillbilly can drive from their strict gun law enforced state in the northeast, drive a few hundred miles on the interstate in their rev'ed up Gener'l Lee Dodge Charger, go into a gun store and drive back, across state lines and start shooting at any 5 or 6 at will. Only if they speed or chew too much tobacco will they ever get stopped and have their car checked for the weapons.

Surely the answer isn't the gun, it's the mentally derranged person. Guns are safe. Guns are great Christmas presents for any hormonal 15 year old. Remember keep Christ in Christmas and get your gatlin semi-automatic before OB bans the 2nd ammendment.

 

[delldude]

Most arguments have been to distance the AR15 as an assault weapon by painting as a friendly little gun that certainly shouldn't be banned. I tend to view it as a WMD, as in most cases where we read about them, they have been used that way.

A Chef's knife, in skilled hands can create epicurean delights, however that same instrument in the wrong hands has maimed, killed and wounded countless people.

 

[KCFlyer]

A Chef's knife, in skilled hands can create epicurean delights, however that same instrument in the wrong hands has maimed, killed and wounded countless people.

True that...the thing is, creating that epicurian delight was exactly what that knife was designed to do. Killing 26 people quickly is exactly why the AR15 was created. Both did exactly what they were designed to do.

 

[Keroseneuser]

Surely the answer isn't the gun, it's the mentally derranged person. Guns are safe. Guns are great Christmas presents for any hormonal 15 year old. Remember keep Christ in Christmas and get your gatlin semi-automatic before OB bans the 2nd ammendment.

For me I believe it was a .22 for christmas when I was 13 and a 12 gauge when I was 14. Oddly enough I have never had an urge to shoot anyone. I did have parents that were in my life and taught me from an early age firearms safety etc. In the 80's in highschool during hunting season most of the student pickup trucks in the parking lot had rifles and shotguns hanging in the back glass where the students had been hunting that morning. It was a common everyday thing. Can you imagine the sh%tstorm that would cause in the press now?

You want to fix the violence problems we have today? Parents have to go look in the mirror...It starts at home. You have vacant parents that don't parent and let TV and video games raise their child and you end up with a society full of whackjobs.

I heard today on the radio people calling in all cheesed off that the NRA guy suggested that there should be a policeman stationed at all our schools, and what an awful traumatizing event it would be for their kids........Really??? My sons school district has had a armed sheriff deputy assigned to each school for years. That is his post and he is there everyday and his marked police car parks in a special spot at the front of the school so there is no mistaking that he is there. If Conn. had the same policy I doubt this thread would exist.

The gun laws in this nation have never been tighter than they are right now, yet as the laws have tighened up you see more mass shootings etc. We did not have this problem in the 40's 50's 60's 70's etc to the degree we are seeing today. It's not the guns its society and crap parents in my opinion.

Again I found this harvard study very interesting. http://www.google.co...jefcrgGnZLbX1Bg

The authors set out to show one thing and the results came up the opposite.

However I am sure fear and misunderstanding of the problem will continue to dominate forum posts like this all over the country for the foreseeable future.

Other interesting facts that Bloomberg and others don't want you to know is the correlation between right to carry states/countries and the drop in crime rates in those states/countries. It is covered in the linked study above also.

Quite simply criminals in general are cowards, when they are looking for a target to rob or house to break into they will almost always go to the one they know is not armed. Pass all the gun restrictions you want, it still is not going to stop the criminal that has no intention of obeying the law anyhow. All you succeed in doing is disarming the honest law abiding citizens and making them prime targets.

I know for a large number of you that will read this, that concept is completly foreign to you. There are millions of legal concealed carry permit citizens in this country. You pass by them everyday in the wal-mart or at the gas station and probably even say "hello" or strike up a conversation with them about the weather or whatever. they got the carry permit by going to training, and sitting through several hours of classes, by getting fingerprinted and SBI and FBI background checked. Guess what, pass all the laws you want, the only ones you will disarm are the ones that did all that to carry legally. Your drug dealers, mental cases, robbers, and rapists will still be untrained, unregistered, and armed.

 

[Dog Wonder]

I know for a large number of you that will read this, that concept is completly foreign to you. There are millions of legal concealed carry permit citizens in this country. You pass by them everyday in the wal-mart or at the gas station and probably even say "hello" or strike up a conversation with them about the weather or whatever. they got the carry permit by going to training, and sitting through several hours of classes, by getting fingerprinted and SBI and FBI background checked. Guess what, pass all the laws you want, the only ones you will disarm are the ones that did all that to carry legally.

Are they carrying Bushmasters?

 

[KCFlyer]

Are they carrying Bushmasters?

Of course not, but these guys are out to keep us from banning all guns, although none of us has proposed that....just that maybe we ban guns that are used on a battlefield. BUT....by gosh, we can't have that...so instead we paint the Bushmaster as the kind of gun you'd like to have over for coffee sometime. Maybe take your daughter to the prom. Or entertain at the kiddo's birthday party. The Bushmaster AR15 is such a doggone FRIENDLY gun that only a commie facist would want to ban them.

Now it's unfortunate that it gets a bad rep because it shot up a few schools and a movie theater and a shopping mall...we all know THAT's because these were all "gun free zones", which only encouraged metally deranged people to head there for their target practice. The whole time that AR15 was saying " are we going to the park? Are we going to entertain children?", because after all, the AR15 just screams "I'm a friendly gun". But of course the shooter didn't do that. He was set on shooting up a school, and for some reason, the shotgun and 30-06, both of which would have proven far deadlier (yet not as easy to fire) weren't so excited about heading out on a 'field trip' from the gun rack. But the AR15 is always up for a little morning entertainment.

 

[signals]

We probably won't know exactly what caused this monster to carry out what he did. I find it a little too uneasing that he targeted 6 and 7 year olds. Might not have anything to do with it, but 13 years ago the kid was 6 or 7. 1999 was Columbine. Coincidence?

I don't buy any of the lame excuses that come up. At 7 kids are highly impressionable, and we don't know how exposed he was to that other tragedy.

 

[signals]

So, your saying you can't stab 26 people multiple times then, right ? - southwind

yup. that is exactly what I am saying. The chances of higher survival rate and stopping a dick with a knife is greater if he had a knife over an assualt rifle.

Hmmm. That might depend if you're not trapped and can overpower the guy with the knife. They didn't use any guns on 9/11 🙄

 

[signals]

Now find the list of banks rob as gun point. Ask the admin if they have enough server space first.

Banks are really stupid up my way. They get robbed simply by handing the teller a note. You don't even have to show a weapon 🙄