AMR talks about training fill-in flight attendants

[damajagua]

APA did alot for the APFA during their strike.

Don't get me wrong, the FA's did all that really counts for the strike with courage and conviction, but APA was there in a support function.

Am sorry but you are 100% wrong the pilots did nothing for us. Every single one of them cross our
picket line just like the mechanics....As far as I am concern every single pilot and mechanic in the
property on 1993 is a SCAB.

 

[Duke787]

APA did alot for the APFA during their strike.

Don't get me wrong, the FA's did all that really counts for the strike with courage and conviction, but APA was there in a support function.

I agree the APA "said" we support you, then went to work and flew their on time departure. We all know when the pilots are upset because there are alot of writeups during the middle of the day, that are going to take time to look into. The APA did none of that ,but give lip service. The flights to Europe with scabs on them left on time.

I wish AA mgt would just do the right thing, and not cause so much anxiety with the most important employees at AA, after all, they are the ambassadors for the company with the PAX.

 

[Duke787]

Am sorry but you are 100% wrong the pilots did nothing for us. Every single one of them cross our
picket line just like the mechanics....As far as I am concern every single pilot and mechanic in the
property on 1993 is a SCAB.

The APA and TWU were legally obligated to show for work, otherwise it would have been an illegal work action. Neither union did anything to help out the F/As, and that is a fact.

 

[aafsc]

TWA aquired OZARK....OZARK f/as were treated as equals...

THAT ALONE SPEAKS VOLUMES

Keep on Spinning excuses....there is still time left for APFA to do the right thing!

Ozark F/As were treated as equals because their bargaining agent DID NOT WAIVE THEIR PROTECTIONS IN ORDER FOR THE TRANSACTION TO PROCEED(UNLIKE THE IAM AT TWA); GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL. YOU HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO TREAT THEM AS EQUALS.

 

[700UW]

AA insisted that TW/IAM removed their LPPs otherwise AA would not have acquired TW.

 

[L1011Ret]

Ozark F/As were treated as equals because their bargaining agent DID NOT WAIVE THEIR PROTECTIONS IN ORDER FOR THE TRANSACTION TO PROCEED(UNLIKE THE IAM AT TWA); GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL. YOU HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO TREAT THEM AS EQUALS.

Sorry you are very wrong. Where do you get this stuff?

 

[aafsc]

Statement from a former TWA f/a.

Either you are a union or you're not, and YOU"RE NOT!
The first principle of unionism is to provide fair treatment to all workers, hired and aquired!

The first principle of unionism is to strictly adhere to their constitution and by laws and their contract for the protection of their (and only their) members. Seems to me that the APFA did just that. Your union, the IAM, failed you.

 

[FWAAA]

At the end of the 30 day cooling off period the company is free to implement the final proposal on the table. I doubt very seriously it will contain provisions for 140 to 150 hrs per month.

In 1986 Icahn implemented several things that were not part of the final proposal. They were all overturned in court and put back as they were.

MK

Very true, but what if AA were to lock out the FAs at the expiration of the cooling off period? Isn't AA free to replace the workers on whatever terms AA and the replacements agree? I wasn't aware that the company had to abide by the final proposal if it attempted to permanently replace workers.

 

[700UW]

The company by the RLA has to implement the final offer

 

[TWskyliner]

Ozark F/As were treated as equals because their bargaining agent DID NOT WAIVE THEIR PROTECTIONS IN ORDER FOR THE TRANSACTION TO PROCEED(UNLIKE THE IAM AT TWA); GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL. YOU HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO TREAT THEM AS EQUALS.

The Apfas "we did it cause we could" shortsighted arrogance and mentality is what has gotten you/us into this little quandry...
We could have been your strongest and most loyal ally instead of your most tenacious irritant.

 

[aafsc]

AA insisted that TW/IAM removed their LPPs otherwise AA would not have acquired TW.

So what, it's not the fault of AA's unions. Perhaps TW/IAM should have just flipped AA the middle finger; why didn't they? Hmmm, perhaps because they were knocking on death's door and had no other choice. Maybe if they had told AA to stick it, AA just would have walked away and TW would have closed the doors forever and they would have had nothing. Believe me, we nAAtives wish TWA/IAM would have told AA "NO"; that way we would not ever have had to have dealt with all this TWA crap.

 

[damajagua]

So what, it's not the fault of AA's unions. Perhaps TW/IAM should have just flipped AA the middle finger; why didn't they? Hmmm, perhaps because they were knocking on death's door and had no other choice. Maybe if they had told AA to stick it, AA just would have walked away and TW would have closed the doors forever and they would have had nothing. Believe me, we nAAtives wish TWA/IAM would have told AA "NO"; that way we would not ever have had to have dealt with all this TWA crap.

Amen to that............yes TWA crap.

 

[damajagua]

Amen to that............yes TWA crap.

Does anyone have a staple please?

 

[aafsc]

Sorry you are very wrong. Where do you get this stuff?

Did the Ozark F/As (or any employee group) waive their protections as a condition for the TWA/Ozark deal to proceed? Was Ozark a failed airline? If I am wrong, prove it by providing evidence instead of your usual empty rhetoric.

 

[aafsc]

The Apfas "we did it cause we could" shortsighted arrogance and mentality is what has gotten them into this little quandry. We could have been your strongest and most loyal ally instead of your most tenacious irritant.

APFA "did it because they had to". You still can't seem to grasp the concept of APFA following their contract and constitution and by laws. All YOU know is that YOU wanted YOUR seniority from a FAILED AIRLINE so YOU could be at the TOP of ANOTHER AIRLINES' seniority list-DFR laws, contract laws, and nAAtive F/As be damned. You are telling the AA F/As that you would have been their "strongest and most loyal ally" if they had only bent over, grabbed their ankles and given you your TWA seniority. If that had happened and you had gotten everything (TWA seniority to bid the best trips, have all the nAAtive F/As as your furlough cushion, highest legacy pay, pension) you would have had every reason to enthusiastically support APFA. On the other hand, the nAAtive F/As would have had justifiable anger and sued the living crap out of the APFA for not following the contract and C@B laws. A person who attempts to take something that they are not legally entitled to is called a THIEF.