AMFA VS AMP

[rifbound]

. But lets be clear the NMB gave us an immediate release (when has that EVER happened?)

that's the truth! hell, we can't even get a release after how many years in talks with aa? i've lost count how long it's been. imo, twu, aa, and the nmb have been in bed with each other through all of this. the twu allowed this to happen. lets hope that enough cards are signed and we can vote the twscrew out!

 

[MCI transplant]

<_< ------I remember way back in the mid 60,s when I was working ramp for United, I went to one of AMFA's early orginizational meetings and was told that a member of the NMB was overheard saying that they didn't want another Pilots Union in the Industry, and that's why AMFA was forced to include others besides just A&Ps, as they were known in those days! So that attitude goes waaay back!!!! That attempt to through out the IAM, which was just as intrenshed as the TWU is at AA today, failed also.

 

[Buck]

And that AMP/AMFA card got you? Yep, nothing. The TWU card you carried kept you employed. Of course you could have shown how tough you were by handing in the card and renouncing your membership by stopping payment of dues. It's all about principle brother and yours go which ever way the wind blows.

Be a little more truthful for those younger members who you are trying to scare. The TWU would do everything it could to see you out the door if you attempted to stop payment of dues. The closed shop is tyranny. What is the TWU is afraid of if they are doing their job? Taxation without representation? Some of the members have principle.

 

[767 mechanic]

AMFA made a lot of mistakes but make no mistake...NWA was hell bent on busting that union and that is a fact.. I personally believe that this merger was under consideration WAY before it ever happened and AMFA was not to be a part in it. After we bent NW over on AMFA's very first contract NW was determined to never let that happen again. Right after we won that contract that brought ALL mechanics wages up in this industry the work began to bring AMFA down. The spent 2 years and millions of dollars recruiting scabs as well as the NMB and the FAA in NW's pocket as well. All along slowly farming out work and AMFA in their arrogance allowed it with Del Femine too busy trying to recruit UAL and others airlines to join AMFA to see what NWA was doing and still AMFA called NW's bluff and almost welcomed the strike thinking that the airline could never pull it off instead of the CHAOS strategy that the F/A's employ which AMFA said they embrace. Del Femine went along with a traditional strike big mistake. In my opinion if AMFA had let us go back to work it would have forced NW to lock us out since they had all those scabs on the payroll and allowed most all members to collect unemployment and might have kept some of the weaker members from crossing the line. But lets be clear the NMB gave us an immediate release (when has that EVER happened?) The FAA turned a blind eye to problems during the strike and the media was also paid off to not say anything..Never would have believed it if I hadn't witnessed it myself.

Do you happen to remember who the 3 members of the NMB were atthat time and who was in charge of the FAA.

 

[Buck]

<_< ------I remember way back in the mid 60,s when I was working ramp for United, I went to one of AMFA's early orginizational meetings and was told that a member of the NMB was overheard saying that they didn't want another Pilots Union in the Industry, and that's why AMFA was forced to include others besides just A&Ps, as they were known in those days! So that attitude goes waaay back!!!! That attempt to through out the IAM, which was just as intrenshed as the TWU is at AA today, failed also.

Another pilots union?

Do you believe that the core principle of the NMB of the time was anti independent union?




I remember way back in the mid 60,s the Coyote never caught the Roadrunner

 

[lineguy43]

Do you happen to remember who the 3 members of the NMB were atthat time and who was in charge of the FAA.

Cannot remember the 3 NMB members offhand but Marion Blakey was in charge of the FAA at that time...

 

[Overspeed]

Be a little more truthful for those younger members who you are trying to scare. The TWU would do everything it could to see you out the door if you attempted to stop payment of dues. The closed shop is tyranny. What is the TWU is afraid of if they are doing their job? Taxation without representation? Some of the members have principle.

Not scaring anyone. You want an open shop?

 

[Kev3188]

Cannot remember the 3 NMB members offhand but Marion Blakey was in charge of the FAA at that time...

I may be off, but if memory serves:

Hoglander
Read van de Water (how could you forget her? lol)
Fitzmaurice

 

[Buck]

Not scaring anyone. You want an open shop?

What I want, is a Union that for it's membership is politically free. If that means an open shop, then so be it.