AMFA......read on

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

 

That 720 million is money that should have been in there in the first place. The old AA WAS NOT keeping up to it's obligation to give me what was negotiated. And the laws are what gave them the ability to do so.   

If you depend on a company (or trust them) to fund your retirement then you are a fool. YOU should be responsible for YOUR retirement. IF the company offers a pension (and actually keeps their word) consider it a bonus.
 
Only a fool would trust their future to a pension in a world of corporate raiders and sham bankruptcies. 

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Are the employees of UA and DL (and premerger US) concerned that the PBGC won't pay their pensions?    When you're laid off, do you file for unemployment comp or do you refrain because you don't want to be a burden on everyone else?   

Unemployment is either 100 percent employer funded (in 47 states) or mostly employer funded with a small employee contribution (in 3 states). IT IS NOT TAXPAYER FUNDED.  
 
http://www.pbgc.gov/about/how-pbgc-operates.html
 
PBGC receives no funds from general tax revenues. Operations are financed by insurance premiums set by Congress and paid by sponsors of defined benefit plans, investment income, assets from pension plans trusteed by PBGC, and recoveries from the companies formerly responsible for the plans.
PBGC pays monthly retirement benefits, up to a guaranteed maximum, to nearly 744,000 retirees in 4,000 pension plans that ended. Including those who have not yet retired and participants in multiemployer plans receiving financial assistance, PBGC is responsible for the current and future pensions of about 1,476,000 people. You can find out if your pension plan is insured by searching our single-employer list or our multiemployer list of defined benefit pension plans.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

 

As far as screwing the consumers turnabout is fair play. They have been screwing us for over 20 years by not paying the price of the seat due to overcapacity and internet fairs. 

Congrats. You have now made the dumbest remark I have ever seen on the forums. Considering your competition that is some feat. 

 

[WeAAsles]

Congrats. You have now made the dumbest remark I have ever seen on the forums. Considering your competition that is some feat. 

Conclusion
The days of the ridiculously cheap airfare may be gone. Airline executives now realize that pricing below cost is a disastrous strategy. However, consolidation hasn't made plane tickets unaffordable. Adjusting for inflation, base fares are substantially below 1995 levels; after accounting for new fees for checked baggage and other amenities, inflation-adjusted airfares are only slightly higher than 1995 levels. Considering the substantial rise in oil prices since then, this is a very good outcome for consumers.

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/03/30/are-william-shatner-and-cheap-plane-tickets-gone-f.aspx

 

[1AA]

Please show me where I am getting a bonus or paid from the IAM, it would sure be nice if I did, then I wouldnt have to work my ONLY job that I have, which isnt for the IAM.
 
Its truly amazing that you are allowed to touch anything in regards to an airplane with your lack of intelligence.
 
Why dont you pay your bet off to Kevin?
 
Yes posters, Southwind bet Kevin on the boards and lost and was suppose to donate the money to charity, and to this day, he hasnt paid, guess he is nothing but a welcher.
 
He comes on here and preaches AMFA on this thread and the US, yet he tells ACS and FAs at DL not to vote in a union and when called out by Kevin, he admitted he doesnt want a union nor AMFA at DL.

Lighten up Francis, will you?
 
Can we please discuss the topic at hand. Before the same individuals end up getting this topic closed.

 

[Kev3188]

Yes posters, Southwind bet Kevin on the boards and lost and was suppose to donate the money to charity, and to this day, he hasnt paid, guess he is nothing but a welcher.

Which is too bad, really. Lots of groups doing good work that could use the $$$.

Maybe he can donate it to the organizers of the AMFA @ AA drive? Couldn't hurt...

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Conclusion
The days of the ridiculously cheap airfare may be gone. Airline executives now realize that pricing below cost is a disastrous strategy. However, consolidation hasn't made plane tickets unaffordable. Adjusting for inflation, base fares are substantially below 1995 levels; after accounting for new fees for checked baggage and other amenities, inflation-adjusted airfares are only slightly higher than 1995 levels. Considering the substantial rise in oil prices since then, this is a very good outcome for consumers.

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/03/30/are-william-shatner-and-cheap-plane-tickets-gone-f.aspx

Customers do not dictate price. They may shop around but at the end of the day it costs what it costs. They no more screwed you than you screwed the workers of (insert electronics manufacturer here) when you got a great deal on that (name device here).
 
Airline executives now realize that pricing below cost is a disastrous strategy.
 
The fact they even wrote that sentence makes me doubt anything else they would put on paper. 

 

[WeAAsles]

Customers do not dictate price. They may shop around but at the end of the day it costs what it costs. They no more screwed you than you screwed the workers of (insert electronics manufacturer here) when you got a great deal on that (name device here).
 
Airline executives now realize that pricing below cost is a disastrous strategy.
 
The fact they even wrote that sentence makes me doubt anything else they would put on paper. 

 

Conclusion
This year will be only the beginning of the next chapter in the US airline industry. Much remains to be done with labour and other cost centres. Much also remains to be done in developing new revenue centres.
It is clear that 2012 will be a transition year between the industry we have watched for the last decade and the industry we will have in the future. We know that more and deeper changes are needed, but by the end of this decade we are likely to see an industry that is far healthier and bigger than it is today. And it just may have far fewer players.  
CAPA employs a leading team of writers and analysts positioned around the world. Find out more about CAPA's regional and global analysts.

http://centreforaviation.com/analysis/2012-marks-beginning-of-next-chapter-in-us-airline-industry-65485

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

 
Conclusion
This year will be only the beginning of the next chapter in the US airline industry. Much remains to be done with labour and other cost centres. Much also remains to be done in developing new revenue centres.
It is clear that 2012 will be a transition year between the industry we have watched for the last decade and the industry we will have in the future. We know that more and deeper changes are needed, but by the end of this decade we are likely to see an industry that is far healthier and bigger than it is today. And it just may have far fewer players.  
CAPA employs a leading team of writers and analysts positioned around the world. Find out more about CAPA's regional and global analysts.

http://centreforaviation.com/analysis/2012-marks-beginning-of-next-chapter-in-us-airline-industry-65485

Big deal. The things that you posted were so obvious a 6th grader could have wrote them.
 
There is nothing insightful or forward thinking about this article. 
 
Who wrote it Captain Obvious?

 

[southwind]

Please show me where I am getting a bonus or paid from the IAM, it would sure be nice if I did, then I wouldnt have to work my ONLY job that I have, which isnt for the IAM.
 
Its truly amazing that you are allowed to touch anything in regards to an airplane with your lack of intelligence.
 
Why dont you pay your bet off to Kevin?
 
Yes posters, Southwind bet Kevin on the boards and lost and was suppose to donate the money to charity, and to this day, he hasnt paid, guess he is nothing but a welcher.
 
He comes on here and preaches AMFA on this thread and the US, yet he tells ACS and FAs at DL not to vote in a union and when called out by Kevin, he admitted he doesnt want a union nor AMFA at DL.

#1 Please explain why your the "BIGGEST" proponent of the IAM, when you don't work for them or "ANY" airline.....might shed some light on your motives!
 
#2 How exactly does me not agreeing with you, show a lack of intelligence.........if anything, quite the contrary!
 
#3 Do you always change the subject, when backed into a corner?
 
#4 Why do you have a problem with AMFA? I would think, being a pro-union peep, any union would be better than none at all!
And if I had a choice and had to choose a union, it sure as hell wouldn't be the IAM!
 
#5 Show me exactly where I said people should not be able to vote in (or out) a union?
You come on here promising people the moon, if they join the IAM and all I do is point out the negative aspects of the IAM.
 
What? You don't like people having all the facts and making an informed decision, that affects their livelihood ?

 

[1AA]

Amfa does not handle pensions. The IAM does and they can not wait to get their hands on our money. We told the IAM and any supporter of their pension plan to take a hike. Our 401k match is pitiful compared to the other groups here at American and it is better than the IAM pension plan. We can control our money as we feel fit. The IAM wants our money and it comes with conditions that are ridiculous. If the IAM pension should become insolvent and get turned over to the PBGC it will pay peanuts. My 401k is my money. Both the IAM and ibt are money hungry unions who want dues and pension money. AMFA stays focused on the craft and business at hand.

 

[WeAAsles]

Big deal. The things that you posted were so obvious a 6th grader could have wrote them.
 
There is nothing insightful or forward thinking about this article. 
 
Who wrote it Captain Obvious?

Didn't know a nameless, faceless, unpaid, angry blogger knew more than the experts.

I've also asked you to place me on your ignore list but for some juvenile reason you feel compelled to respond to me on this forum? Just like WorldTraveler I have no interest in you or your opinions and am placing you with him on my ignore list. Any further responses from you to something I post will be ignored and only show that you have little to no self control and also no credibility which you have already stated doesn't interest you anyway.

Goodbye.

 

[Force Majeure]

#1 Please explain why your the "BIGGEST" proponent of the IAM, when you don't work for them or "ANY" airline.....might shed some light on your motives!
 
#2 How exactly does me not agreeing with you, show a lack of intelligence.........if anything, quite the contrary!
 
#3 Do you always change the subject, when backed into a corner?
 
#4 Why do you have a problem with AMFA? I would think, being a pro-union peep, any union would be better than none at all!
And if I had a choice and had to choose a union, it sure as hell wouldn't be the IAM!
 
#5 Show me exactly where I said people should not be able to vote in (or out) a union?
You come on here promising people the moon, if they join the IAM and all I do is point out the negative aspects of the IAM.

#6: have you paid your bet?

 

[southwind]

#7 If you consider the money I give to charity every year..... yes!

#8 Are you another , who when has nothing to add to the topic at hand, changes the subject?

 

[700UW]

#1 Please explain why your the "BIGGEST" proponent of the IAM, when you don't work for them or "ANY" airline.....might shed some light on your motives!
 
#2 How exactly does me not agreeing with you, show a lack of intelligence.........if anything, quite the contrary!
 
#3 Do you always change the subject, when backed into a corner?
 
#4 Why do you have a problem with AMFA? I would think, being a pro-union peep, any union would be better than none at all!
And if I had a choice and had to choose a union, it sure as hell wouldn't be the IAM!
 
#5 Show me exactly where I said people should not be able to vote in (or out) a union?
You come on here promising people the moon, if they join the IAM and all I do is point out the negative aspects of the IAM.
 
What? You don't like people having all the facts and making an informed decision, that affects their livelihood ?

Still havent proven a thing you stated.
 
Show the board how I get paid from the IAM when I dont work for them nor am I involved in any organizing campaign.
 
You are the one who deflected and changed the subject, not I.