AMFA......read on

[737823]

If the IAM hadn't scabbed the AMT craft would be in a stronger position today.

Josh

 

[700UW]

If the IAM hadn't scabbed the AMT craft would be in a stronger position today.

Josh

With your infinite knowledge since you are a legend in your own mind total Aviation Expert, explain how parking, and pushing of airplanes, and airstarts broke AMFA?
 
Pilots, crossed the picket as well as AMFA's sister union PFAA who represented the pilots.
 
IAM represented employees at NW did not overhaul or fix airplanes, you know the job that a mechanic does.
 
And once again, the language was already in the IAM/ESE/NW CBA and was removed from the AMFA CBA that NW imposed.
 
And ESEs did more ancillary work than mechanics at NW.
 
Dont let the facts get in your way.
 
NW was hell bent on breaking AMFA and they spent millions on doing it, parking and pushing planes did not break AMFA.

 

[blue collar]

With your infinite knowledge since you are a legend in your own mind total Aviation Expert, explain how parking, and pushing of airplanes, and airstarts broke AMFA?
 
Pilots, crossed the picket as well as AMFA's sister union PFAA who represented the pilots.
 
IAM represented employees at NW did not overhaul or fix airplanes, you know the job that a mechanic does.
 
And once again, the language was already in the IAM/ESE/NW CBA and was removed from the AMFA CBA that NW imposed.
 
And ESEs did more ancillary work than mechanics at NW.
 
Dont let the facts get in your way.
 
NW was hell bent on breaking AMFA and they spent millions on doing it, parking and pushing planes did not break AMFA.

Parking and pushing planes didn't break AMFA, it was the other unions crossing the picket lines that did. They all have a hand in it. The IAM sticks out the most though, because they did some of what was AMFA's work, and wrote a letter saying that they wouldn't be respecting the strike. The same union that used to represent the mechanics turned their back on them- and labor as a whole- with their actions during that strike.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Parking and pushing planes didn't break AMFA, it was the other unions crossing the picket lines that did. They all have a hand in it. The IAM sticks out the most though, because they did some of what was AMFA's work, and wrote a letter saying that they wouldn't be respecting the strike. The same union that used to represent the mechanics turned their back on them- and labor as a whole- with their actions during that strike.

 
Exactly. While it is true that all the other unions crossed AMFAs picket line, it was the IAM that performed struck work.

 

[700UW]

The work was being done by more ESEs at NW than AMFA before the strike.
 
With the CBA imposition the language was removed from M&R.
 
But once again, no ESEs fixed planes, no ESEs overhauled planes, no ESEs overhauled components, no ESEs, performed checks on planes, so please explain how doing receipt and dispatch and airstarts broke AMFA?
 
The language was already in the IAM ESE/NW CBA, so if they refused to do the work it would have been insubordination.

 

[blue collar]

The work was being done by more ESEs at NW than AMFA before the strike.
 
With the CBA imposition the language was removed from M&R.
 
But once again, no ESEs fixed planes, no ESEs overhauled planes, no ESEs overhauled components, no ESEs, performed checks on planes, so please explain how doing receipt and dispatch and airstarts broke AMFA?
 
The language was already in the IAM ESE/NW CBA, so if they refused to do the work it would have been insubordination.

It has already been noted that r&d and air starts didn't break AMFA. Care to comment on the rest of what I wrote?

 

[700UW]

The reason for the letter was that Delle and AMFA sent a letter to NW telling them to take more from the IAM so AMFA's concessions were lower.
 
Also Roach replied to Delle's letter asking for help,  about incidents that were started by AMFA represented employees towards IAM employees at NW and said that they would support the strike if those conditions were met.
 
Tell both sides of the story, not just one.
 
I dont agree with how 143 and Depace handle the strike, Depace took it personal.
 
But what I dont understand is how AMFA's sister union the PFAA who represented the FAs didnt honor the strike.
 
Also how do you take a bargaining unit on strike when you dont have a strike fund?

 

[blue collar]

The reason for the letter was that Delle and AMFA sent a letter to NW telling them to take more from the IAM so AMFA's concessions were lower.
 
Also Roach replied to Delle's letter asking for help,  about incidents that were started by AMFA represented employees towards IAM employees at NW and said that they would support the strike if those conditions were met.
 
Tell both sides of the story, not just one.
 
I dont agree with how 143 and Depace handle the strike, Depace took it personal.
 
But what I dont understand is how AMFA's sister union the PFAA who represented the FAs didnt honor the strike.
 
Also how do you take a bargaining unit on strike when you dont have a strike fund?

I was telling both sides. Why did roach put preconditions on labor helping labor? Why condemn the whole based on the actions of a few?

Are you saying AMFA should've caved because there was no strike fund?

 

[700UW]

Put all biases aside.
 
AMFA and the IAM hated each other.
 
AMFA told NW to take more concessions from the IAM, then asks the IAM for help, I mean come on.
 
Roach sent Delle a reply for the harassment to stop and they would support AMFA.
 
I mean that is like your wife having an affair with another man, moving in with him then asking you for money.
 
No I am saying AMFA had to have known what NW was planning and let NW outsmart them.
 
AMFA should have prepared much better to take on NW.
 
So why did AMFA's sister union not support them?

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

The work was being done by more ESEs at NW than AMFA before the strike.
 
With the CBA imposition the language was removed from M&R.
 
But once again, no ESEs fixed planes, no ESEs overhauled planes, no ESEs overhauled components, no ESEs, performed checks on planes, so please explain how doing receipt and dispatch and airstarts broke AMFA?
 
The language was already in the IAM ESE/NW CBA, so if they refused to do the work it would have been insubordination.

 
I highlighted a portion of your post to drive home the point - THE IAM PERFORMED STRUCK WORK.
 
At the moment AMFA walked and NWA imposed it became struck work, ridiculous arguments trying to mitigate that change nothing.
 
As to your last point, the IAM had language protecting them against being forced to perform struck work, and I'm quite certain you know that.

 

[700UW]

Do you not realize the IAM ESE's were performing more ancillary duties throughout the NW system before the CBA Imposition and the AFMA strike?
 
And DL 143 made the members aware of that, Kevin didnt perform the duties, now did he?

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Do you not realize the IAM ESE's were performing more ancillary duties throughout the NW system before the CBA Imposition and the AFMA strike?
 
And DL 143 made the members aware of that, Kevin didnt perform the duties, now did he?

 
I never said the ESEs weren't performing ancillary duties before the strike - the point is they weren't doing them where the Mechanics were - thus when the Mechanics walked, that portion of those duties became struck work.
 
BTW you've started contradicting your own posts...
 

The language was already in the IAM ESE/NW CBA, so if they refused to do the work it would have been insubordination.
 

 
And after I challenged this you switch to .....
 

And DL 143 made the members aware of that, Kevin didnt perform the duties, now did he?
 

 

[700UW]

And you and others havent answered the following:

Why didnt AMFA's sister union the PFAA not honor the strike?
 
How did AMFA not know what NW was planning, it wasnt a secret?
 
And why did AMFA go on strike with NO strike fund?

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

And you and others havent answered the following:

Why didnt AMFA's sister union the PFAA not honor the strike?
 
How did AMFA not know what NW was planning, it wasnt a secret?
 
And why did AMFA go on strike with NO strike fund?

 
And who says I'm obligated to?
 
That said, I'll address your questions if you will answer this one.
 
Did the IAM perform struck work during the NWA AMFA strike?  (Yes or No)

 

[700UW]

Certain IAM members did, others didnt.
 
That was all orchestrated by Bobby DePace, the PDGC of 143 at the time.
 
And I am not obligated to answer either, now am I?
 
I told you and others I dont agree with how 143 handled it at all, I would never cross a picket line nor perform work previously done by another bargaining unit.
 
I saw many pilots, fas, CSAs, and supervisors cleaning planes during our 30 day cooling off period at US back in 9/1992.
 
And filed many grievances against it.
 
Is it right for Delle to send a letter to NW telling them to take more from IAM represented employees so his members can give less concessions?
 
And then have the audacity to sent the IAM a letter asking for help.