Amfa=OUTSOURCING

[Strake]

If the amfa were to replace the TWU at AA, its not a question of outsourcing (iron-clad language in NW's contract) or how much ( 100% in some cases at NW) but what would go first?

 

[Buck]

What do you mean if AMFA were to replace the TWU?

I believe Jim Little stated that the drive is over?

I would be more worried about what your own TWU and company have in mind for Power by the Hour.

 

[Strake]

What do you mean if AMFA were to replace the TWU?

I believe Jim Little stated that the drive is over?

I would be more worried about what your own TWU and company have in mind for Power by the Hour.

Thats what I mean. What if?

The drive is over. Are you implying you are ready to quit?

Please explain how the amfa would do a better job of protecting the engine work?

 

[proAMFA]

The poll is bull####. Like AMFA equals outsourcing and the TWU does not? What about Zebco-100% outsourcing the TWU did nothing to stop the outsourcing. We've had so much outsourced I can't keep tract of it all. Outsourcing at NWA is limited at AA it is not.

Go ahead scare all you want.

AMFA represents 8 airlines. Only one of the 8 has laid off more people than at AA and at that 1 airline the employees still receive full pay and benefits-we do not. NWA was forced to use force majure to go around the contract-at American the TWU changed the contract to aid American to layoff employees, cut our benefits, and pay. AMFA challenged the Force Majure at NWA the TWU could not challenge the company because it was the organization that sold us out.

Soon we will have the opportunity to send the company union packing!

 

[Nightwatch]

yeah, it's BS...just like NWA's LOA to outsource work to Canada in return for insourcing...oh..but that's OK..it's an AMFA deal, must be a good deal if AMFA signed off on it...yeah right.

 

[James T. Kirk]

Name: Louie Key
Email: regi-dir@AMFANATL.ORG
Employer: AMFA
Station: Region I Director
Date: Tuesday August 03, 2004
Time: 12:58:58 AM

Comments
The following is from the Grapevine, official publication of AMFA national:

Letters of Agreement

Louie Key, Region I Director

Lately there have been many questions regarding the process for Letters of Agreement under the AMFA Constitution and the various Collective Bargaining Agreements. First of all, a Letter of Agreement (LOA) is an attempt to address a specific issue between the Association and the Company. They are patches, if you will, to fix problems that both parties recognize the need to be addressed.

To initiate discussions for an LOA, one party, either the Association or the Company, approaches the other and expresses a desire to amend, delete, or add language to address a specific concern. Additionally, the AMFA representatives must gain approval from the National Executive Council (NEC) pursuant to Article XV, Section 11 of the AMFA Constitution prior to initiating discussions with the carrier for a Letter of Agreement. The NEC, if they concur with the concept of the LOA, will establish a committee in accordance with Section 3 of Article XV to negotiate the terms of the LOA.

Once this committee and the carrier have reached an agreement on the terms of the LOA, the LOA will be submitted to the affected membership for ratification. Keep in mind AMFA’s fundamental principle that our members must be allowed to vote on all LOAs and there will never be an LOA approved without membership ratification. If the LOA is approved by the affected membership, the appropriate representative will be authorized to sign the LOA by the NEC.

Letters of Agreement can address most any topic in an Agreement and are typically folded into the body of the Agreement, in the appropriate location, during the next round of contract negotiations.

For additional clarification on LOAs please visit your Local office and review the Local’s copy of the AMFA National Policies, Interpretations, & Procedures Manual. You will find under the Interpretations tab a letter dated February 8, 2002, which addresses LOAs in greater detail. In closing, if you and your co-workers find that there is a gap in your Contract that needs to be addressed prior to the next round of regular negotiations, do not hesitate to contact your Airline Representative to investigate the opportunity to address the issue with a Letter of Agreement.

Louie why is it that when you campaigned for AMFA at Horizon, you stated that "AMFA doesn't believe in Letters of Agreement"? Why is it that the NEC has never been involved in the Letters of Agreement at NWA? Why does the industry leading contract at NWA need so many LOA patches, I was told AMFA corrected 35 years of contract language! Why is it that not all of the members at NWA get to vote on Letters of Agreement? Finally why is it that when AMFA doesn't want you to know something, its only available at your local, remember an informed member is a strong member!

 

[scab scraper]

hummmm proamfa(PUKE) sounds like you NEED to read art.2 of your so called contract pay attention to (F)
nice job Mr.Kirk
interesting poll STRAKE !!! gives TUL something to think about..............for about that long. i mean what's to think about? JOB vs STREET !!!!!!!!!!!! DUH!!!
i have to keep this simple for the simple minded hackSCAB he needs things that he & his little princeASS can understand after all he does have an a&p ????
TWU/AFL/CIO/ATD=UNION=SCABFREE ....8/5/04

 

[Buck]

Thats what I mean. What if?

The drive is over. Are you implying you are ready to quit?

Please explain how the amfa would do a better job of protecting the engine work?

Who said anything about engine work?

 

[Radman]

hummmm proamfa(PUKE) sounds like you NEED to read art.2 of your so called contract pay attention to (F)
nice job Mr.Kirk
interesting poll STRAKE !!! gives TUL something to think about..............for about that long. i mean what's to think about? JOB vs STREET !!!!!!!!!!!! DUH!!!
i have to keep this simple for the simple minded hackSCAB he needs things that he & his little princeASS can understand after all he does have an a&p ????
TWU/AFL/CIO/ATD=UNION=SCABFREE ....8/5/04

Hey scabby,

I think you should read twu's contract at AA a little closer. It only states that the predominate amount of work should be done by company employees (since you are not to bright it means that about 50.1% in house and 49.9 farm out). How about all those jobs lost due to routes going to American Eagle. Don't start with they can have only 6% of our routes either; that only pertains to pre 1993. All new routes acquired after that their is no language for in our contract. I guess that means all those TWA routes could be done by AE. Before you try to make a point read the contract you try to protect. Your an idiot.

 

[Mark Inman]

What do you mean if AMFA were to replace the TWU?

It seems AA even with the highly inflated list of eligible voters has admitted that they were wrong and or have no evidence to dispute at least 371 more names challenged by AMFA. This means AMFA submitted more than enough cards even with the list still as inflated as it is. With Twscrew’s credibility in the toilet AMFA will get an election and AMFA will win. The Board has determined that the single craft or class of Airline Mechanics, Ground Service, Plant Maintenance, and Fleet Service Personnel is no longer a proper craft or class at either American or TWA-LLC. The proper crafts or classes are Mechanics and Related Employees, and Fleet Service Employees. American Airlines, Inc./TWA Airlines, LLC., 29 NMB 240, 251 (2002).1. <span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>NO VOTE :angry: NO PEACE!!!!!!! </span>

 

[Nightwatch]

It seems AA even with the highly inflated list of eligible voters has admitted that they were wrong and or have no evidence to dispute at least 371 more names challenged by AMFA. This means AMFA submitted more than enough cards even with the list still as inflated as it is. With Twscrew’s credibility in the toilet AMFA will get an election and AMFA will win. The Board has determined that the single craft or class of Airline Mechanics, Ground Service, Plant Maintenance, and Fleet Service Personnel is no longer a proper craft or class at either American or TWA-LLC. The proper crafts or classes are Mechanics and Related Employees, and Fleet Service Employees. American Airlines, Inc./TWA Airlines, LLC., 29 NMB 240, 251 (2002).1. <span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>NO VOTE :angry: NO PEACE!!!!!!! </span>

Hey Inaman...nice work of editing, shows your professionalism. Are you a company hack?

 

[Strake]

Who said anything about engine work?

I did.

 

[Buck]

Why did you mention engine work in reference to "Power by the Hour"?

Are there changes coming in the way the engine work is going to be accomplished?

 

[twuer]

It seems AA even with the highly inflated list of eligible voters has admitted that they were wrong and or have no evidence to dispute at least 371 more names challenged by AMFA. This means AMFA submitted more than enough cards even with the list still as inflated as it is.

Hey Inman,
Just curious how you came up with this number of 371. Did you just think this number up all on your own or is it the prefix in your phone number, numbers in your social secruity number??? What????

You're grasping at straws there pal!!! Jumpin' the gun a bit.



If this number is correct (as determined by the NMB), then I would like to know why amfa wanted to (AND ATTEMPTED TO) take those, who the NMB says are legitimate and deserve to be there, off the list submitted??? Didn't they argue over a thousand or so?? Was amfa trying to play God and say who should and shouldn't belong in the craft and class? No wonder so many have been lost under their watch. Just trying to protect our own........sorry for your inconvenience...........buh bye............see ya' later...........adios.........hasta levista...........sianara..........don't let the door hit you in the a** on the way out..........or better yet GOOD RIDDENS!!!

Amfa must be stopped! It is their credibility that has beenl lost. Looks like the TWU will be the victors once again!!! HEY AMFA. . . . . sorry for your inconvenience...........buh bye............see ya' later...........adios.........hasta levista...........sianara..........don't let the door hit you in the a** on the way out..........or better yet GOOD RIDDENS!!! 😀




Hey Mark, I will be anxiously awaiting your response!!!

 

[Rusty]

twuer, surely you cannot be that ignorant. The cultist afl-cio company unions are always trying to add people that do not belong to kill a vote of the membership if they are the ones getting kicked out (fired) . Take UAL for instance, once the mechanic and related forced a vote by finally overcoming the fraud perpetuated by the company and their lapdog IAM union, AMFA and the company signed a letter of agreement to allow 19 groups of people to go back non-union, they filed because in the voting these groups were shown they did not want to be union at all. AMFA had every right to just start collecting dues from them but, because AMFA has what is called integrity(look it up) they did not want to collect dues from these groups and force them to be unionized. You see twuer, not everyone chants/thinks like the cultist unions do.

Mark, I have to agree the company did not dispute at least 371, not to mention the over inflated list and a vote is imminent. Just one message for the twu lovers, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.