Is This Going To Be The Future?

[Checking it Out]

Dead-but You are living in the past, the osm shops? how many were corrected in the grievance procedure? The system worked.

Assigned out of seniority, please show us where this is a violation? And what have you done? if you are aware of any? The TWU has always advocated the rights of seniority! whenever it is violated and pointed out the representatives have gone to great lengths to work it out within the contract limits. Unlike others who have signed letters like NW/Amfa to give them away.

You know you write like you did at Planebusiness, like two seperate people, like a female at this time!

Past is still the past and corrections are made everyday to benifit the membership! The TWU is still the best choice for representation. The system under the TWU works, and I hope and prey the company you are advocating for to represent us will never happen, the dream world you think you know about does not exist!

 

[TWU informer]

CIO QUOTE....

Assigned out of seniority, please show us where this is a violation? And what have you done? if you are aware of any? The TWU has always advocated the rights of seniority! whenever it is violated and pointed out the representatives have gone to great lengths to work it out within the contract limits. Unlike others who have signed letters like NW/Amfa to give them away.

Another BIG CIO LIE:

Here is a documented e-mail from David Lee Stewart (AA Human Resource Manager).

Tell us about the TWU PROTECTING SENIOIRTY RIGHTS CIO???????

NOTICE : "THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT FOR YOU TO CONSIDER SENIORITY" via "LETTER OF AGREEMENT"

CIO, I know you are the liar here because your own TWU members are suffering from this anti-seniority "letter of agreement" on a regular basis. There was even a petition passed around with about 1000 signatures to do something about this issue.


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[Checking it Out]

TWU informer, since you have posted, please show us where it violates the contract? I know of many areas that use the procedures of inverse seniority. If you know areas who do not, do you get involved and recommend this procedure? This issue has been discussed many times at the hall. Procedures are limited and it is up to the C/C and members in the areas to see this is not violated! Are you allowing this to happen
so you can complain after the fact?

 

[TWU informer]

TWU informer, since you have posted, please show us where it violates the contract? I know of many areas that use the procedures of inverse seniority. If you know areas who do not, do you get involved and recommend this procedure? This issue has been discussed many times at the hall. Procedures are limited and it is up to the C/C and members in the areas to see this is not violated! Are you allowing this to happen
so you can complain after the fact?

That's just the point CIO. Your so-called Union signed a letter and now there is NO VIOLATION of the contract. You are the one who claimed the TWU is advocating for seniority. If that is what you call "advocating" for something, what happens when you give it away?

What you are NOT men of your word? You sign a letter of agreement, and then BEG management to be fair?

Yeah, that sounds like the union we know and hate alright!

THANKS TWU!

We will be beggin management next week for the Presidents Day Holiday Off with pay also? Where are the "beg management" to be fair forms CIO, I need one.

Maybe you could bring this display out to the Tulsa Base and get us our Holidays back??

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[deadbolt]

Cio: You live in a dream world- you beleave one thing "OSM/SRP shops where converted back to Mechanic shops because TWU fought for it!" But really the company understood they made a mistake and gave back the shops that were being "difficult"! If you think that was so far in the past and now it don't matter, that is how these give-backs are supposed to work, after a while you don't feel it anymore- the company wins all the time!

Remeber Company-Union have an adverse relationship! Unions the anti-theft device!

 

[Checking it Out]

See our systems works under the TWU! Arbitrator ruling ring a bell!

 

[TonyB]

CIO doing what he does best

You should all keep this image in mind when ever CIO spews his lies.

 

[NyQuill]

Nice post TonyB..and might I suggest what the B stands for?...HAHAHA...sso you keep this pic in your folder of favorites, close to your pillow?

Wanna talk contract language, do you really? amfa at Alaskan Air and their riddance of the pension plan...401K from a bunch of over rated real-estate lawyers...and you're worried about seniority? ya weren't worried about seniority a few years ago...why now?

You all make my day with your no nonsense panty hose attitude...HAHAHAHA

Good posts CIO and keep up the good informative work, seems your tweeking their noses and doing a good job!

 

[Checking it Out]

Here is some intesting comments found on the-mechanic.net



What is in store for the future?

We have seen in the last several years a fundamental change in the way the airlines are viewing the maintenance of the Aircraft. With the airline passenger paying less for a ticket and the airlines looking for ways to slash costs. The trend will be to continue to reduce maintenance costs.

A couple of ways has been to lower wages and benefits by challenging the unions or increase the outsourcing of work. Amfa has chosen to allow the increase in outsourcing by inserting language in their contracts and not putting up a fight to stop the trend. The TWU on the other hand has seen fit to lower wages and benefits to stay in line with the average wages within the industry and in turn has been able to keep the language in tact along with working aggressively to keep work in-house.

Which way is correct? If you ask a 20-year mechanic he will say higher wages. If you ask a 5-year mechanic he will indicate lower wages with steady employment is the better way to go. If you ask Amfa they like to compare the NW contract as superior in wages, while approaching the 50% mark on layoffs there is little chance of ever working at NW. If you look at AA the TWU has chosen to keep layoffs at below 15% with lower wages and an opportunity for future employment. The TWU has more experience in representing the best interest of the membership, while Amfa is better at organizing.

The Airlines are going thru some turbulent times and are trying to find a medium where they can sustain profitability and long-term survival ship. Is this going to mean more pressure will be applied to reduce cost? In my opinion yes!

Here is my opinion of what this means to you?

*At NW you will see a steady decline of maintenance and employees in the next couple of years to where the maintenance bases will close and the head count will be around 1500 mechanics. Amfa has been unable to stop the trend as NW continues to shift work to 3rd party maintenance here and overseas. (Note current employment is 5250+/- down from 9700 in 2000. source Jan.2004 seniority list)


*At United with the new contract and recent talks of spinning maintenance off. You will see a steady decline of employees in maintenance to around 2500. With unlimited scope language, the new 2 billion dollar contract on engines and the closing of the maintenance bases this will take place in short order. (Note current employment is 8400 +/- down from 13,200 less than 2 years ago, source Amfa)

*At American the trend is to take advantage of the outsourcing frenzy and work at controlling labor costs and going after 3rd party maintenance. Will AA be able to capitalize on this? The stock market believes they will. Time will definitely tell. (Note current employment is approx.17,000 thousand)

You have a choice! Amfa has openly admitted the scope clause in the AA/TWU contract is worthless. If they are successful at calling for an election and get in, you will see a gradual shifting of AA philosophy and a steady increase of work outsourced. At the rate NW and United is losing employees the 17,000 employees at AA could be 4000 in 5 years. Don’t be fooled into believing Amfa is the way to go. The track record speaks for itself.

Have you tried lately to get hired at one of the majors? It takes an average of 8 months at Southwest. With 1800 mechanics, majority of heavy maintenance outsourced and as competition increases hiring will slow. USAir continues to have problems and is looking for more concessions and additional layoffs. If Delta is unable to get its costs under control you will see some major changes in the future.

As 3rd party maintenance continues to grow in popularity you will see a steady increase in this sector. The wages and benefits are normally 50% of what the majors pay. This is where you will end up if you continue to support Amfa and fall over the 4000 mark. You need to ask yourself if this is the right choice when you sign a card. I ask that you look at the facts presented over the last couple of years and you will see the TWU is the best choice in representing you!


Proud member of the TWU, In Solidarity

I wanted to remind everyone what the topic was about! I yet to see an amfa wantabes show us positives in the airline industry from amfa, it seems everywhere we turn all we see is a news article about outsourcing of jobs or employees, from amfa sponsored companies, destruction is the game and their good at this!

 

[Hopeful]

For someone who has taken the name of Quill, I find it odd that he would support ANY union who is in bed with ANY company the way the TWU is.

Quill is turning over in his grave!

 

[NyQuill]

Hey now Hopeful, wasn't to long ago your boyzzzz were calling ole Quill a communist ,now you're worried about him and his grave?.... let's get the story and play right...might try e-mailing Davey for proper responses here...HAHAHAHAHAH

 

[Hopeful]

You use his name in vain, my boy.

It's ok for the TWU to sleep with AA, but it's not ok for the bus drivers to bend over for the MTA and independent bus companies. Quill's socialist (kind term for communist) agenda would have never allowed for any of the TWU's members to be raped like they have allowed us to be.


Get your your story straight!

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[NyQuill]

Yeah right, but the only *** I smell is you foo..HAHAHAHAHA

When you speak of rape, you mean the boyzzz at NWA now doing heating/cooling for a profession? You speaking of the raping of Alaskan Air's pension plan under amfa? Are you selective in what you call rape and what you consider consentual sex?

 

[Kyle]

This topic is getting out of hand. Either discuss the subject or it will be closed. Enough with the personal attacks.

 

[NyQuill]

I agree and thanks Kyle...