Amfa And Outsourcing

[High Speed Steel]

Buck their just doing what they do best. If they cant answer a question than they change the direction of the issue. If this doesnt work their trump card is to acuse the person of being an AMFA supporter. Alot of cards were signed during this drive because of twu's use of this tactic.

Scorpion, I thought the topic of dicussion in this forum was Amfa and Outsourcing...! I think the direction of the issue is right on track. You may have entered the wrong forum...!

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AMFA: The YUGO of the labor movement
Where barganing means YOU GO....!

 

[Buck]

Buck are you stupid or what? Don't you understand that what AMFA is subjecting us to with their level of outsourcing is competing for work at a lowered labor cost! We are having to compete with 3rd party maintenance providers that now exist accross the pond. Possibley using child labor thanks to AMFA! How does this benifit you, and the value you place upon your abilities? Corporations are allways seeking ways to save money on labor, and this includes American Airlines! You are allways quick to criticize the TWU for the OSM classification. But aren't these employees entitled to the same benifits that us senior mechanics are entitled to? Don't they have the security of being unionized employees, medical insurance, dental,paid vacations, paid sick leave, military leave, retirement, stock incentives, the list goes on. If these same employees where employed at one of these 3rd party maintenance providers would they have any of these benifits? I think NOT...! With what AMFA is doing to this industry I don't think they are worthy of calling themselves an association or any form of the word in respect to being UNION...! They have had so many spin-off's lateley from their mechanics only association maybe they should try something new and call themselves ( AMFCOE) Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Clan of Elitists....!

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AMFA: The YUGO of the labor movement
Where barganing means YOU GO....!

Insinuating that I am stupid is not the way to convince me that your course is the correct one. The way I see it, is that for me to take any more concessions would be the only thing that makes me stupid. What I understand is that the TWU has consistantly lowered the companies cost to compete with the third party vendors.
As for your claim that AMFA or any other union is the cause for maintenance to go oversees is obsurd. If the unions could stop it, it would take the power of the AFL-CIO and all of it's affiliates. Can you show me where AMFA has facilities overseas?
Let's look at the TWU, are there factions of the Transport Workers overseas?

Yes I critisize the TWU for it's OSM classification. Do you condone it? Do you believe that it was the right thing to do to remove the license premium from mechanics during a rif?

But aren't these employees entitled to the same benifits that us senior mechanics are entitled to?

Yes, but should it cost them their license premiums to gain those benefits?

And the TWU has earn the right to call itself a union when it has violated the AFL-CIO's Constitution?


Article II: Objects and Principles

The objects and principles of this Federation are:

1. To aid workers in securing improved wages, hours and working conditions with due regard for the autonomy, integrity and jurisdiction of affiliated unions.

Why would you want to use the word "CLAN" to reference anyone?

 

[scorpion]

Mr. high speed steel
maybe you should take some time and read this entire topic. The only threads that come close to the subject matter of this topic are the ones that hint at doing scab work for N/W.

(high speed steel quote)
Buck are you stupid or what? Don't you understand that what AMFA is subjecting us to with their level of outsourcing is competing for work at a lowered labor cost! We are having to compete with 3rd party maintenance providers that now exist accross the pond. Possibley using child labor thanks to AMFA!

high speed, with this kind of logic it brings to mind the old saying," only a fool argues with a fool"

 

[Checking it Out]

Go here and reveiw under outsourcing the language inserted at Alaska:

Concerned Technicians

Go here and reveiw articles written about amfa/NWA outsourcing:

NWA Members speak out!

Get informed and you will see the difference in Representation!

 

[Buck]

I see the difference, you condone the destruction of the mechanics craft and class as a profession for you Socialistic idealism.

 

[Hopeful]

CIO: Don't forget this!




March 31, 2003



James C. Little

Administrative Vice President, Air Transport Division

Transport Workers Union of America, AFL-CIO

1791 Hurstview Dr.

Hurst, Texas 76054



Re: Contracting Out RON / ULTRACLEAN Aircraft Cabin Cleaning



This will confirm our understanding reached during the negotiations leading up to the agreement signed on (DOS), 2003. During these negotiations, we discussed the Company’s interest to contract out certain work currently performed by TWU represented employees in order to provide structural savings.



In these discussions RON and Ultraclean were two areas currently performed by TWU represented employees that we have agreed will be outsourced. We have also agreed that the initial implementation of this provision will occur within sixty (60) calendar days from date of ratification. Outsourcing of this work that is not accomplished within the sixty (60) calendar days mentioned above will not require an offset of the savings by the TWU.



The work identified in this understanding is that work assigned a Level 1 Bill of Work on overnight aircraft or designated an “Ultracleanâ€￾. This work includes cleaning, stocking, shampooing of rugs, and conducting the required security checks.



Level 1 BOW or “Ultracleanâ€￾ with scheduled arrivals after 0800 will be performed by day line Fleet Service except in OSO situations.



Sincerely,





James B. Weel

Managing Director

Employee Relations





Agreed to this date:





________________________

James C. Little

Transport Workers Union of America, AFL-CIO



________________________

Date

 

[proAMFA]

I'm not sure how AMFA can be compared to a yugo-please explain. AMFA represents more Aircraft Mechanics than any other union around. More than the Machinists, more than the Teamsters and more than your beloved Transport Workers Union. If AMFA is so bad then how can they continue to hoodwink all these people? At Northwest, where unfortuntely through the use of Force Majure, many of their Mechanics have been laid off yet the IAM still cannot get any momentum going in their card drive the IAM has tried a card drive at least two times that I know of. Even with the problems AMFA has had at Northwest AMFA continues to gain strength at American and will soon defeat the TWU. What's that say about the TWU? How can AMFA continue to pull the wool over peoples eyes and continue to grow and how come if the TWU is such a great union they only represent one major and one regional? If the TWU was so great the AMFA movement would never gain traction at AA and if AMFA was so bad at least ONE of their eight airlines would send them packing.

Lay some truth on me Mr. Answerman

P.S. Feel free to start TWU card drives at any of AMFA's airlines I'm interested in seeing how your product sells.

 

[Checking it Out]

I'm not sure how AMFA can be compared to a yugo-please explain. AMFA represents more Aircraft Mechanics than any other union around.

I believe this is a mis-print! I believe the IAM alone represents the boeing membership! How many does this enclude?

The TWU, I believe if you add in the AA-Eagle-and some of the others you will find out the TWU represent more active members than Amfa does!

 

[Johnny Lunchbox]

Posted on Feb 29 2004, 11:13 AM
I'm not sure how AMFA can be compared to a yugo-please explain. AMFA represents more Aircraft Mechanics than any other union around. More than the Machinists, more than the Teamsters and more than your beloved Transport Workers Union. If AMFA is so bad then how can they continue to hoodwink all these people? At Northwest, where unfortuntely through the use of Force Majure, many of their Mechanics have been laid off yet the IAM still cannot get any momentum going in their card drive the IAM has tried a card drive at least two times that I know of. Even with the problems AMFA has had at Northwest AMFA continues to gain strength at American and will soon defeat the TWU. What's that say about the TWU? How can AMFA continue to pull the wool over peoples eyes and continue to grow and how come if the TWU is such a great union they only represent one major and one regional? If the TWU was so great the AMFA movement would never gain traction at AA and if AMFA was so bad at least ONE of their eight airlines would send them packing.

Yugos were popular for their cheapness and lack of stature, as amfa . Yugos didn't handle well when the tough got going, as amfa. Yugo's didn't care who was at the wheel, as amfa. And once the newness wore off, you had a piece of crap, like amfa.amfa represents more Aircraft Mechanic that are furloughed than any other union. delle has been selling the same ole used car for how many years? He hasn't been a mechanic for how many years? He hasn't won crapola for anyone he reps , but he promises the forlorn the world, Jim Jones comes to mind when I think of that hobbit.

What part of amfa's history excites you so much you are willing to look the other way at their poor track record and obvious direction they want to take your industry. They are swelling the 3rd party vendors bank rolls while their own members refocus their direction and usually crosstrain to another profession. This is good?

 

[TWU informer]

OOHHH,

That YUGO stuff really gets us!

Please stop it before we surrender.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

The TWU, I believe if you add in the AA-Eagle-and some of the others you will find out the TWU represent more active members than Amfa does!


cio, how many AMTs does the twu represent compared to AMFA? :huh:

 

[MCI AFL-CIO]

cio, how many AMTs does the twu represent compared to AMFA? :huh:


Ken, You really dont see the whole picture do you? TWU does represent more than just AMT's, Unlike AMFA.
I know Ken, unless they are AMT's they dont count.............untrue Ken, a member is a member, A REAL UNION will not pick and choose who to represent, unlike you Ken, Fleet service and Stores is a craft also
Do you realize how hwo demeaning you sound pertainingto YOU AND YOUR CRAFT PROFESSSION, You dont realize that there are otehrs here that are a true craft and profession, I recognize them sorry you dont

 

[Buck]

Again, what has the AFL-CIO done for the mechanic craft and class in the airline industry?

 

[Bob Owens]

Ken, You really dont see the whole picture do you? TWU does represent more than just AMT's, Unlike AMFA.
I know Ken, unless they are AMT's they dont count.............untrue Ken, a member is a member, A REAL UNION will not pick and choose who to represent, unlike you Ken, Fleet service and Stores is a craft also

A Real Union? You call the TWU a real union? A "union" that gives the company everything they ask for? That is your definition of a real union? A union where union officials who do not work on company property recieve a paycheck from the company and it isnt even in the contract?

You claim that a "real union" will not "pick and choose" who they represent. Oh really? Tell that to ALPA, they only represent Pilots. Tell that to the AFA, they only represent flight attendants. Tell that to the majority of the 33,000 unions in this country, most of whom specialize in one particular profession or craft. None of which ever brought back and imposed-"without further ratifation" a concessionary contract like the TWU imposed on us.

I'm glad that you consider Fleet and Stores a craft, there is a union out there for them also its called the AGW.

Do you realize how hwo demeaning you sound pertainingto YOU AND YOUR CRAFT PROFESSSION, You dont realize that there are otehrs here that are a true craft and profession, I recognize them sorry you dont

 

[UAL_TECH]

Is that you DellDude?
Did you change your Nom De Plume?
Our did you just like the 'Chucky' gif?

JMHO,
h34r: UT