AMFA Organizing Drive to Replace Association

[1AA]

So the fact that the IAM mechanics will go 4 years without their current pension contribution and no way to get AA to up the match to the TWU side of the 401k is a good reason for them to sign an AMFA card? Isn't part of the reason for this raid to screw the IAM guys because they got more than the TWU?

Raid? What raid? The only Raid I see is the one to kill the cockroach infested association.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Isn't part of the reason for this raid to screw the IAM guys because they got more than the TWU?

JimmyBop;

You need to come up to speed as to what is happening here and what will happen going forward if we end up with a Vote to remove the TWU/IAM Association.

To Answer your question, The Association put the difference of benefits between the TWU and the IAM in our contract. The Total membership both IAM/TWU M&R employees are signing cards to remove this ASSociation. WE have things here on the TWU side they don't and vise versa. Our card drive is to Bring the members of the M&R group together as ONE. If you knew anything about AMFA you would know that AMFA does NOT have a Organizing division. They Can't raid because they have zero organizers. The M&R employees here at AA have gotten together put a group of guys together to attempt to bring AMFA here, this is done through a card drive. NOT A RAID. NO matter what the TWU videos say. AA was the airline that went BK and USAir was the victor in all of this. We are actually AWA, a mom and pop airline with a world wide Global Carrier Name. AA is run by USAir management, which is now bringing in NWA mgmt people to find a way to sphyfon as much assets as DP can before he departs, just like every other team that has been here. and throughout the industry as a whole.

THIS CARD DRIVE IS NOT A RAID

It is also not to cause any RIF between the M&R employees of either TWU or IAM

 

[JimmyBop]

YOU ALL AVOID BRINGING UP THE LOSS OF PENSION CONTRIBUTIONS FOR 4 YEARS WITH NO SUBSTITUTION OF A 401K MATCH INCREASE FOR IAM MEMBERS IF YOUR RAID IS SUCCESSFUL.

 

[dfw gen]

YOU ALL AVOID BRINGING UP THE LOSS OF PENSION CONTRIBUTIONS FOR 4 YEARS WITH NO SUBSTITUTION OF A 401K MATCH INCREASE FOR IAM MEMBERS IF YOUR RAID IS SUCCESSFUL.

Stop the nonsense, if they dont contribute to the iam ponzi scheme, it will be a 9% contribution to the 401k. Try a different avenue of attack that one wont work

 

[Rogallo]

Oy Vey!

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

YOU ALL AVOID BRINGING UP THE LOSS OF PENSION CONTRIBUTIONS FOR 4 YEARS WITH NO SUBSTITUTION OF A 401K MATCH INCREASE FOR IAM MEMBERS IF YOUR RAID IS SUCCESSFUL.

JimmyBOP;

You must be more specific as to what you're asking about. Don't just make a statement.

Here is my assumed answer to the question I think you are asking. If the IAM side of M&R becomes AMFA what happens to the money they are getting NOW from AA that would go normally into the IAM Pension plan for each member. ?

How that is handled would be dealt with but ALL currant money in each members IAM Pension account would have to be be frozen at what it is at. They would not accrue any further deposits from AA. Since they would NO Longer be IAM represented employees they are NOT eligible to be in the Pension Plan. This is what I understand from what we here at AA were told to us by a IAM represented M&R employee. The IAM also made that same statement during the IBT card drive at USAir. I am sure at that point each of those members from LUS side would be at that point be switched over to AA's 401k Plan just like every other employee at AA.

You Can't lose your pension, The IAM can't just say your money is GONE.

Can anyone on this board give you any real specific answer as to how it will be dealt with I would say "NO" way above anyone person here pay grade.
If you want contact the IAM Plan yourself ask them what happens if you simply quit a IAM represented company and went to any other company NOT represented by the IAM (non Union ) like Delta.

This is NOT A RAID it is M&R employees attempting to change Representation legally. Replacing the current Bargaining Unit with one they feel will do a Better job. It also breaks away from the Fleet and stores and those not part of the M&R class and Craft.

 

[swamt]

This not about the IAM and TWU, these two entities no longer exist except under the umbrella of the Association.

Correct Buck, however, the TWU and IAM are the two unions that make up this new employee asso. with the IAM leading the asso. mostly their way (imagine that) It is also well known that the infighting between these two unions will never stop which will always and constantly hold up contract nego's, LOA's, or anything where thay have to agree on as both sides will continue to fight over who is in control and who is running the asso.

So the fact that the IAM mechanics will go 4 years without their current pension contribution and no way to get AA to up the match to the TWU side of the 401k is a good reason for them to sign an AMFA card? Isn't part of the reason for this raid to screw the IAM guys because they got more than the TWU?

YOU ALL AVOID BRINGING UP THE LOSS OF PENSION CONTRIBUTIONS FOR 4 YEARS WITH NO SUBSTITUTION OF A 401K MATCH INCREASE FOR IAM MEMBERS IF YOUR RAID IS SUCCESSFUL.

First and foremost this is not a raid and YOU know it Jimmy. AMFA has no organizing cmte, nor do they have anyone from AMFA doing this card drive at AA for a class and craft representational organization to represent the mechanics and related. These are in fact AA employees, asso. members from both the TWU and IAM doing a "GRASS ROOTS" card drive to get a much better representational organization to replace this pathetic asso. that has done nothing for this membership in the over 3 decades of them representing the mechanics and related at AA.
As far as your question about replacing the pension contributions, I can assure you if AMFA wins this election that that will be one of their top priorities as long as the majority of the membership makes it a top priority. A 401 K would be much, much more better suited with a nice high matching contribution, say like, somewhere between 5-10% and of course would hope for a dollar for dollar match, but I am sure AA will balk at a dollar for dollar and will ask for more like a 1/2 of it dollar for dollar or at least a %. You see Jimmy, with a 401K and Roth's you the member has full control of your account and transactions, not some third party guy who has no experience in retirement accounts, trading, and moving $$$ around for a favorable outcome for the clients/members. Look at how many times pensions have been cit, frozen and sme lost in BK's only to handed over to the gov. and the employees paying the biggest price of having their payouts reduced to 1/2 or even in the teamsters cases where some lost 2/3's of payouts. Pensions are no longer a good investment like they were back in the days. Even the IBM'ers of yesteryears (that's International Business Machines, IBM) almost lost their pensions way back 20 years ago and since then they no longer offer pensions, they have been replaced with other retirement programs as well as 401K's.
And pls don't forget, it wouldn't be a replacement just for the IAM'ers, it would be a 401k retirement package for all members not just one sided group, you see that's the difference with AMFA they will be one representational organization and the division will go to the waste side, all under "ONE" umbrella, where all will be treated equally. Have a great day, pls remember to vote by this Tues and also pls vote when you guys get a chance to replace this pathetic asso.

 

[Old Azz Mechanic]

JimmyBop;

You need to come up to speed as to what is happening here and what will happen going forward if we end up with a Vote to remove the TWU/IAM Association.

To Answer your question, The Association put the difference of benefits between the TWU and the IAM in our contract. The Total membership both IAM/TWU M&R employees are signing cards to remove this ASSociation. WE have things here on the TWU side they don't and vise versa. Our card drive is to Bring the members of the M&R group together as ONE. If you knew anything about AMFA you would know that AMFA does NOT have a Organizing division. They Can't raid because they have zero organizers. The M&R employees here at AA have gotten together put a group of guys together to attempt to bring AMFA here, this is done through a card drive. NOT A RAID. NO matter what the TWU videos say. AA was the airline that went BK and USAir was the victor in all of this. We are actually AWA, a mom and pop airline with a world wide Global Carrier Name. AA is run by USAir management, which is now bringing in NWA mgmt people to find a way to sphyfon as much assets as DP can before he departs, just like every other team that has been here. and throughout the industry as a whole.

THIS CARD DRIVE IS NOT A RAID

It is also not to cause any RIF between the M&R employees of either TWU or IAM

Why do you guys keep trying to say this is not a raid. Here is the definition.
Raiding:A union's attempt to enroll workers belonging to or represented by another union. ... Recognition:Employer acceptance of a union as the exclusive bargaining representative for all employees in the bargaining unit.
No matter how many times you say it don't make it true. Stop acting like the Azz Monkey Man you call YOUR Pesident.
Any time a union tries to take over a already represented union group ITS CALLED A RAID. If you guys are SOOOOOO against calling it what it is. Its because you know you are doing some wrong. Deal with it and stop pretending that Everyone whats it. Because the TRUTH is WE wanted the Teamsters. But once we got screwed we are willing to settle for AMFA,

 

[Old Azz Mechanic]

Hey how many cards expired Nov 1st. Also WHY are you guys still stalling on filing the cards. Tell the Truth already. Either you got the amount needed or you DONT.

 

[Kev3188]

IAMNPF Plan Participants should be assume the plan will default.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Why do you guys keep trying to say this is not a raid. Here is the definition.
Raiding:A union's attempt to enroll workers belonging to or represented by another union. ... Recognition:Employer acceptance of a union as the exclusive bargaining representative for all employees in the bargaining unit.
No matter how many times you say it don't make it true. Stop acting like the Azz Monkey Man you call YOUR Pesident.
Any time a union tries to take over a already represented union group ITS CALLED A RAID. If you guys are SOOOOOO against calling it what it is. Its because you know you are doing some wrong. Deal with it and stop pretending that Everyone whats it. Because the TRUTH is WE wanted the Teamsters. But once we got screwed we are willing to settle for AMFA,

OAM;

I highlighted your definition of a RAID, if AMFA was raiding then it would be AMFA's organizing unit/division doing that on behalf of AMFA correct? Y or N?

Since it is the M&R employees of a TWU represented membership filing out the required cards showing interest to replace the Bargaining Unit with another whether it be AMFA or any other which the NMB requires to hold an election it is NOT a RAID.

If AMFA was the union that had a organizing division such as the IBT that came on to the property soliciting cards to replace the bargaining unit it would be a RAID. The IBT put money into the card drive from the beginning when that happened yrs ago. Until a certain level of interest is shown by the employees of ANY company NO INPUT at ALL or assistance is given by AMFA. All funds to move the drive along come from the employees of said company.

If the organizers did not start up a card drive to replace the current bargaining unit with AMFA being the union of choice, AMFA would NEVER of come here looking for us to change representation to them. It all happens when the membership decides to exercise its right to chose those they want to represent them and that is the legal right of ANY Union member or employee.

You don't have to settle for AMFA or any other if/when the cards are filed and you want to remain under the ASSociation simply VOTE that way. It will be your choice. Each member will then have VOTED and the UNION with the most amount of VOTES will be or remain the bargaining unit for the M&R work group at AA.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

IAMNPF Plan Participants should be assume the plan will default.

KEV;

Should 3k-4k members change representation the IAMNPF would not go into default, what status the plan is in at this moment can be looked up if you have that much concern.

You can't lose YOUR Pension whether it be a UNION or a Company defined plan.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Hey how many cards expired Nov 1st. Also WHY are you guys still stalling on filing the cards. Tell the Truth already. Either you got the amount needed or you DONT.

OAM

How many cards the organizers have collected and what % of the total is required to file 50% +1, as long as that target is reached the cards can be filed with the NMB. Is that number a good number "NO" since we have learned that AA, & TWU, have worked together to inflate the list so that we did not have enough cards. So we did not get an election. Waiting this long to file is to insure we have the number so that no matter how inflated the list is we will have the required number per the NMB requirements to get an election (VOTE)

Remember this yr has not been Normal for anyone, CV19 put a big damper on the collection of cards with guys getting sick and social distancing being enforced
throughout the country. The momentum that was in the beginning whether to force AA and the ASSociation to bring us a contract or NOT would have continued without the CV19 playing havoc in the USA.

If within the Month the cards are NOT filed then YOU will be able to puffup your chest and SAY that AMFA Failed Again. Which it was not AMFA it was the employees of the M&R work group. You can also say the Organizers FAILED, AGAIN, which would partly be correct we would of FAILED to collect enough cards from the M&R workgroup to show enough interest to the NMB to generate a VOTE.

At that point the membership of the M&R work group will have spoken, and the whining and complaining about how we did not want this ASSociation should STOP. NOT FILING the cards will be the choice of the M&R work group.

When you said we wanted the IBT, I can assume you collected cards for them and wore their lanyard and buttons, T-shirts and put out information for them to your fellow employees. By saying that you also knew that NOT ( ONE ) of the officers of the Local in MIAMI was part of the ATD as we know it here with the TWU.
That accepting the IBT you wanted to go from a NY bus driver to a Grocery clerk as your Bargaining Units representative.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

OAM;

if you don't know the Local for the IBT in Miami Springs is/was Local 769.

Mike Scott was the Pres. at that time, food, hotel, sanitation worker.

Woody Wilson was VP. Roadway Express driver

Josh Zivalich was SEC/TREAS. UPS truck driver

Roly Pina was REC/SEC UPS truck driver

Steve Myers was the Organizer Water treatment plant operator

Tony Espizito Biz agent for the Local,

With the meeting of the IBT at the pancake house you know who wanted to be the BIZ AGENT of US if the IBT was brought here by a VOTE.

Oh again if you did not know the Mechanics at UPS are NOT affiliated with the General IBT they are separate from the rest and that Local 2727 had/has ATD officers.

 

[1AA]

YOU ALL AVOID BRINGING UP THE LOSS OF PENSION CONTRIBUTIONS FOR 4 YEARS WITH NO SUBSTITUTION OF A 401K MATCH INCREASE FOR IAM MEMBERS IF YOUR RAID IS SUCCESSFUL.

Raid? What raid?