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Amfa Fails To Get Election At Aa

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Posted on Tue, Jun. 22, 2004


Bid to represent American Airlines mechanics not over

By RANDOLPH HEASTER

Columnist


A federal agency's ruling has thwarted a rival airline union's attempt to represent mechanics at American Airlines — at least for now.

The National Mediation Board last week determined that 18,661 American employees in the mechanics-and-related job classifications are eligible to vote if a union election were held. The ruling came about because the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association sought to depose the Transport Workers Union as the bargaining unit for mechanics and related workers at American.

If more than 50 percent of eligible employees had signed valid cards requesting an election, the board would have set an election date. However, the ruling sent to the two unions and American officials did not mention a vote being scheduled.

Based on information previously made public, “this determination indicates that there will not be a representation election at American Airlines between AMFA and TWU,†said Jim Little, director of the transport union's Air Transport Division, in a statement.

Mechanics association officials said they submitted 9,274 election-authorization cards, or 57 cards shy of the number necessary to hold a vote, according to a report in The Tulsa World last week.

“We don't have any way to verify those numbers,†said Gordon Clark, president of TWU Local 530, which represents maintenance workers at American's Kansas City overhaul base. “Even though it's a small number short, we don't know how many cards they (the mediation board) threw out because they weren't valid.â€

A mechanics association official in Tulsa had a different viewpoint about the 9,274 cards signed.

“I believe we actually submitted more cards than that,†said Don Rodgers,
Note: Rogers is all over the place on this issue, He really must have been talked to! Key Organizer does'nt even know what he submitted to the NMB! You have to wonder!!! chairman of AMFA's organizing drive in Tulsa, where most of American's maintenance workers are located. “But given everything I know right now, 18,661 eligible employees would put us just short.â€

In addition to Kansas City and Tulsa, American has maintenance workers in Fort Worth, Texas.

But Rodgers said the mechanics association plans to appeal last week's ruling, saying the union believes certain workers are being counted who should be ineligible to vote.

Earlier this month, Terry Harvey, the group's assistant national director, said his union believes slightly fewer than 17,000 American employees should be eligible to vote.

“If we're treated anywhere fairly, I think they'll set an election after our appeal,†Rodgers said.

Clark disagreed, saying there was a 30-day delay in the board's ruling while the mechanics association challenged the eligibility of thousands of American workers to participate in an election.

“We're having a hard time believing they can do anything more on this,†Clark said. “I'm optimistic there won't be an election, and we're going to move forward as if there's not going to be one.â€

The mechanics association began a push to replace the transport workers as the union for American's mechanics last year, following employee discontent about the wage-and-benefits concessions given to the company by the airline's hourly workers.

Mechanics and related workers agreed to cut wages and benefits by $620 million annually after American indicated that it would be forced into bankruptcy without them. The mechanics association has been critical of the concessions, Clark said.

“Their number one concern is that we took the concessions, and they were not justified,†Clark said. “We believe we did the right thing. If we didn't accept the cuts and American went into bankruptcy, Kansas City and AFW (Alliance Airport in Fort Worth) would have closed or been severely downsized.â€

Clark said the transport workers plan to listen to the workers who supported the mechanics association.

“We want better relations with all our members,†he said. “Our goal in the next few months is to address their problems and make changes if necessary.â€

Little made similar comments in his released statement.

“It is time for all of us to come together and build a strong union that will fight for our future,†he said.

Mechanics association officials appear unswayed regarding any conciliation with the transport workers. Even if the mechanics association's appeal is denied and an election is not held this year, Rodgers said the union will continue its organizing drive and seek a vote after the one-year waiting period.

“We've got no intention of leaving Tulsa,†he said. “One way or another, this will come to a vote.â€

The transport workers represent about 1,735 American workers at the Kansas City overhaul base and at Kansas City International Airport.

The mechanics association has grown in recent years and represents nearly 20,000 employees. Since 1998, the union has won elections to represent mechanics at AirTran Airways, Northwest, Southwest and United airlines.

O.V. Delle-Femine, AMFA's national director, said on the union's Web site that the American setback is similar to previous board rulings during organizing drives at United and Northwest, where the union eventually won.

“We have waited for 42 years for an election on AA (American Airlines) and another year won't hurt our quest to have one,†Delle-Femine said in his statement.

To reach Randolph Heaster, call (816) 234-4746, or send e-mail to [email protected].
 
Strake said:
First of all I'm not concerned with what you and your amfa pals might want to do in your free time and I always take what an amfa guy like Rusty has to say with a grain of salt.
Please oh please tell me you take what I say for more than a grain of salt oh it's just killing me that you feel this One Way. :( :( :unsure: :unsure: <_< :lol: :lol: :up: :up: LMAO
 
Strake said:
Ok Busboy, Now what exactly were you implying when you said "10) Randy McDonald is our man. I also think an all female ballot is the way to go." ?
Randy McDonald was able to keep over half of the members in Tulsa afraid to sign an AMFA card. I don't see any other canidates who have this kind of stature. As far as a female ballot, haven't you ever heard the saying "There's nothing worse than a womans scorn"? I'd rather have a group of mad women leading the charge than all the rest of the people on the ballot. You're not a male chauvinist are you?? We won't enter into "REAL" negotiations until the middle of 2008. We will have many more elections between now and then.
Don't forget the agenda for "REAL" change. The twu has to be removed. If not today, then tommorrow!! The AA flight attendants have showed us the way out of the twu. Not only will you twu wannabes have the gays and the strawberry pickers to worry about, you will always have to worry about the AMFA movement at AA!!
How's it coming along getting those Zebco jobs back?? 100% farmout under the twus watch. That must have hurt!!
I use to have just a dislike for the twu. Now it is a hate that runs very deep. I don't know anyone who want's the twu. They're held back by the lies and deceptions spewed by the twu about the AMFA. I've been under nothing but concessions for the last 15+ years. I would take any union other than the twu!!!

Keep the Faith........AMFA NOW!!!!!!
 
I use to have just a dislike for the twu. Now it is a hate that runs very deep. I don't know anyone who want's the twu. They're held back by the lies and deceptions spewed by the twu about the AMFA. I've been under nothing but concessions for the last 15+ years. I would take any union other than the twu!!!

Take some deep breathing excercises man and chill out. You lost. End of story.
 
Nightwatch said:
Take some deep breathing excercises man and chill out. You lost. End of story.
How could AMFA lose, we never voted? The nmb has not made a final ruling. When they do rule, and if the twu/aa fraud stands, you'd better take a deeeep breath. Cards will be flying the day after. No rest for the wicked, and no rest for the twu.

Relentless is what we are. The twu will fall, and we will not stop.....ever.... until the twu is out of the mechanic craft and class at AA.

That's the end of the twu story. How is that twu card drive coming along? What? NO AIRLINE WANTS THE WORTHLESS TWU? Say it's not so.

NO VOTE? NO PEACE!!!!
 
Stop the Bus..I Want Off! said:
Randy McDonald was able to keep over half of the members in Tulsa afraid to sign an AMFA card.
Hey Busdude,

The problem with your beloved AMFA is the fact that they heavily underestimated the intelligence of the members of Local 514...! Your claim that the reason your campaign was rejected is due to fear is ludicrous....!!!!

Your agenda would effect the status of many of our members career's,and they are intelligent enough to realize the impact of your elitist agenda!

You may need to seek out a Team TWU member and become educated on " What part of UNION you don't understand "....!!!!!

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AMFA: The YUGO of the labor movement
Where bargaining means YOU GO....!
 
High Speed Steel said:
Hey Busdude,

The problem with your beloved AMFA is the fact that they heavily underestimated the intelligence of the members of Local 514...! Your claim that the reason your campaign was rejected is due to fear is ludicrous....!!!!

Your agenda would effect the status of many of our members career's,and they are intelligent enough to realize the impact of your elitist agenda!

You may need to seek out a Team TWU member and become educated on " What part of UNION you don't understand "....!!!!!

------------------------------------
AMFA: The YUGO of the labor movement
Where bargaining means YOU GO....!
What part of UNION do you understand? The part that says lets cut wages and benifits and do it for over 20 years? The part that says "Lets give the company everything they want"?

When I show other unionists what we gave up they say that it looks worse than when unions get busted.
 
Nightwatch said:
Take some deep breathing excercises man and chill out. You lost. End of story.
Did the early Americans give up after losing 1 battle to the Redcoats?? We may have lost a battle but the war is far from over. The early Americans did in fact defeat the English. This is no different. We will take a lesson from our brothers and sisters from the other AMFA represented airlines and "Keep the Faith" and rid ourselves of the industrial cancer that plagues our profession!!
As far as seeking out help from team twu, we've been going around with these wannabes since they first showed up. I will have to pass!! There is nothing to be learned there!!
You twu wannabes slip back into your drunkenness while we continue to work diligently toward removing the cancer!!

Keep the Faith.......AMFA NOW!!!!!!!!
 
Hackman said:
How could AMFA lose, we never voted? The nmb has not made a final ruling. When they do rule, and if the twu/aa fraud stands, you'd better take a deeeep breath. Cards will be flying the day after. No rest for the wicked, and no rest for the twu.

Relentless is what we are. The twu will fall, and we will not stop.....ever.... until the twu is out of the mechanic craft and class at AA.

That's the end of the twu story. How is that twu card drive coming along? What? NO AIRLINE WANTS THE WORTHLESS TWU? Say it's not so.

NO VOTE? NO PEACE!!!!
I believe the big losing streak started when amfa got in at NWA and UAL!!!!!

AND IT CONTINUES . . . . . . . . .They are on the fast track going nowhere!!!

I think that constitues LOSERS!!!!!
 
Stop the Bus..I Want Off! said:
Randy McDonald was able to keep over half of the members in Tulsa afraid to sign an AMFA card.


We will have many more elections between now and then.



Not only will you twu wannabes have the gays and the strawberry pickers to worry about, you will always have to worry about the AMFA movement at AA!!



I don't know anyone who want's the twu. They're held back by the lies and deceptions spewed by the twu about the AMFA.
Randy McDonald was able to keep over half of the members in Tulsa afraid to sign an AMFA card.
Do not give Randy McDonald credit for doing much of anything. Especially this amfa fight!! Again, nothing against the man personally! Just time for him tp step down!!

We will have many more elections between now and then.
Many more???? Try one more, taking place in three years! Duh!!!

Not only will you twu wannabes have the gays and the strawberry pickers to worry about,
And yet another openly predjudice, ignorant amfa supporter. Gosh, are you all like this???? No wonder amfa sucks!!!

I don't know anyone who want's the twu. They're held back by the lies and deceptions spewed by the twu about the AMFA.
Where do you live. . .under a rock??? Look around you brother, amfa support lessens as we speak!!! TWU supporters are everywhere!!! Even some of the amfa supporters are now seeing the light wehn given the right information. You have filled their heads with such crap! But I have to tell you when they do realize that, they are not happy campers!! Your strategy is coming back to bite you in the butt!!!!
 
Stop the Bus..I Want Off! said:
Not only will you twu wannabes have the gays and the strawberry pickers to worry about, you will always have to worry about the AMFA movement at AA!!
As Kenny boy would say, "come into the light" . Why don't you amfa guys just go ahead and shave your heads and expose your self for what you really are? As long as there are bigots, I guess you're right, we will have to worry about the amfa movement. Here is a new amfa slogan for ya busboy.

NOT YOU, JUST ME

Thanks for posting busboy, keep up the good work.
 
Strake said:
As Kenny boy would say, "come into the light" . Why don't you amfa guys just go ahead and shave your heads and expose your self for what you really are? As long as there are bigots, I guess you're right, we will have to worry about the amfa movement. Here is a new amfa slogan for ya busboy.

NOT YOU, JUST ME

Thanks for posting busboy, keep up the good work.
You bet!!!
Look forward to coming through your area to get those cards resigned!!

Keep the Faith......AMFA NOW!!!!!!!!
 
Hey Ken,
You're so hung up on the alias thing, why don't you ask Stopthebus here to post his real identity. Making comments like he does surely he is not worried of back-lash?????

You call us in the TWU who use aliases cowards and unaccountable. . . does the same apply to the amfa wannabes?????
 
twuer said:
Hey Ken,
You're so hung up on the alias thing, why don't you ask Stopthebus here to post his real identity. Making comments like he does surely he is not worried of back-lash?????

You call us in the TWU who use aliases cowards and unaccountable. . . does the same apply to the amfa wannabes?????
Using an alias is a very good idea. There are to many people out there who think the AMFA/twu debate is more than a buisness decision!! Besides, It's a lot more fun this way!! :up:
There is no backlash in the truth. It will always prevail!!!!!!!

Keep the Faith.............AMFA NOW!!!!!!!!!
 
Stop the Bus..I Want Off! said:
Using an alias is a very good idea. There are to many people out there who think the AMFA/twu debate is more than a buisness decision!! Besides, It's a lot more fun this way!! :up:
There is no backlash in the truth. It will always prevail!!!!!!!

Keep the Faith.............AMFA NOW!!!!!!!!!
I agree Bus! But try telling that to Ken and Bob and few others on this board who think that using an alias is the cowardly and unaccountable way of going about things!
 
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