AMFA Drive started in Tulsa ?

[ThirdSeatHero]

As this is your first post, why are you talking in the past tense?

Getting your alias' mixed up?

Look I did not say anything about other unions? I am an AMFA member, and all I was saying is that Throwing fellow A&P's to the street is not a way to show them how a craft union works? Be a Professional, work with your union, if that means voting "no" then do it, and follow that up by going to the meetings and letting them know why you voted that way...MAN UP. be a PROFESSIONAL.... take an active interest.for the sake of all the A&P's

 

[amtcraig1]

could not get my desk computer to sign in. tried the laptop but had to sigh up again. so Brain and amtcraig1 are the same person. sorry if this upsets you?

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

could not get my desk computer to sign in. tried the laptop but had to sigh up again. so Brain and amtcraig1 are the same person. sorry if this upsets you?

Actually not.

2 posts and you admit to using 2 names.

Honesty, I'll give you that.

Welcome to the jungle.

 

[Anomaly]

This thread is worth re visiting.

http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/13975-amfa-national-election-results

 

[TWU informer]

This thread is worth re visiting.

http://www.airlinefo...lection-results

All you have left is to SPAM every thread with the same post?
Out of ideas on how to defend Industrial Unionism?

 

[Anomaly]

That massive Teamsters "war chest" that Anomaly keeps harping about must be short on funds.
Hoffa is begging for donations...


1.5 Million Teamsters Workers, enough to easily shut down the commerce and/or the economy, and Hoffa and the Industrial Unions want to keep playing the game of who has the most money politics. Failed in the past and will fail this time too.



HEY Dingledorfs! More Money is NOT THE ANSWER!!!!

Despite what you read, union dues can not be not used directly for campaign financing. This goes for AMFA dues as well. Your post helps to illustrate and prove this.

 

[TWU informer]

Despite what you read, union dues can not be not used directly for campaign financing. This goes for AMFA dues as well. Your post helps to illustrate and prove this.

I know that but what about the laundry machine full of the indirect money?

 

[Anomaly]

Do tell... whats going to be the excuse when the ibt cant stop outsourcing or layoffs at American?

How about these numbers, inside their first year at UAL HUNDREDS of mechanics lost there jobs...over 400 at SFO alone, and while UAL is now recalling, we still haven't brought back all those furloughed in the ibts first year. At Horizon, they took over in the middle of negotiations, and still couldn't stop the company from outsourcing and furloughing mechanics, over 30% gone...AND THATS AT A REGIONAL CARRIER!

Where is the power? Where was the resources?

Just more teamster snake oil.

Nice try

And how many more HUNDREDS have been called back? How many stations have RE-GAINED all furloughed mechanics since the Teamsters took over? How many new stations closed under AMFA have re-opened, or are scheduled to re-open under Teamsters?

Any union is limited by the contract. The Teamsters lived up to the challenge they were faced with, and is turning life around for us here at UAL.

The fact that we are still Teamsters should serve as proof. If most people feel as Third Street Hero does, we would not be Teamsters. UAL has a habit of dropping Unions who do not live up to our standards.

Don't let his crying words fool you. He is still sad he lost his union job.

 

[TWU informer]

And how many more HUNDREDS have been called back? How many stations have RE-GAINED all furloughed mechanics since the Teamsters took over? How many new stations closed under AMFA have re-opened, or are scheduled to re-open under Teamsters?

Any union is limited by the contract. The Teamsters lived up to the challenge they were faced with, and is turning life around for us here at UAL.

The fact that we are still Teamsters should serve as proof. If most people feel as Third Street Hero does, we would not be Teamsters. UAL has a habit of dropping Unions who do not live up to our standards.

Don't let his crying words fool you. He is still sad he lost his union job.

It is pathetic how you believe that the Union (Any Union) runs the company and determines station operations.

The Union does not hire or fire, and the Union does not operate the Airline.

Any Airline that is ran by a Union will soon be in Capter 7 Liquidation,

UAL is turning around because of going through chapter 11 restructuring, and increases in revenue, not because the Teamsters showed up and started running the Airline.

 

[Anomaly]

TWU Informer are you a AMFA member or at anytime a member. How do you know that AMFA would be a good choice for the AA Mechanics. Look at their history, Alaska, Northwest, United, and Horizon? If this card drive leads to a vote and amfa wins by the time you get a contract, your numbers will be greatly reduced. Look when your standing next to a fire and your firemen are fighting the fire you dont tell them your not happy with there fight and fire them, because when you hire new firemen to fight the fire it will be to late, you will be in the fire and alot of good men will be lost!

Good point Brain.

Like many of the supporters here on this thread, at one time I believed all that AMFA offered. Once I became a member, I learned that dreams and fantasy are best left for children. The tuff world of reality gets in the way of AMFA's brazen ideas.

You have the right idea to check out AMFA's histories at other airlines. But please do not forget to look up the sorry plight of those AMFA represented mechanics at

Mesaba - bankruptcy. members left to fend for themselves

Ozark - merged with TWA. AMFA lost election to the IAM in 1986

Huges Airwest - Merged with Republic. AMFA lost to IAM in 1981

Southern Airways - Merged with Republic. AMFA lost to IAM in 1980

Braniff Airlines - Bankruptcy. Members left to fend for themselves

Trump Shuttle - AMFA never negotiated a contract. Merged with US AIR & AMFA lost representation to IAM in 1992

Atlantic Coast Airlines - the saddest story of all. Read just one disappointing chapter on ACA here

http://www.transform...-pay-price.html

Just a few years ago AMFA represented nearly 20,000 mechanics. Just over 10% are left

Think about it.

 

[TWU informer]

Good point Brain.

Like many of the supporters here on this thread, at one time I believed all that AMFA offered. Once I became a member, I learned that dreams and fantasy are best left for children. The tuff world of reality gets in the way of AMFA's brazen ideas.

You have the right idea to check out AMFA's histories at other airlines. But please do not forget to look up the sorry plight of those AMFA represented mechanics at

Mesaba - bankruptcy. members left to fend for themselves

Ozark - merged with TWA. AMFA lost election to the IAM in 1986

Huges Airwest - Merged with Republic. AMFA lost to IAM in 1981

Southern Airways - Merged with Republic. AMFA lost to IAM in 1980

Braniff Airlines - Bankruptcy. Members left to fend for themselves

Trump Shuttle - AMFA never negotiated a contract. Merged with US AIR & AMFA lost representation to IAM in 1992

Atlantic Coast Airlines - the saddest story of all. Read just one disappointing chapter on ACA here

http://www.transform...-pay-price.html

Just a few years ago AMFA represented nearly 20,000 mechanics. Just over 10% are left

Think about it.

Another pathetic view that the Union runs the Airline and has control of the industry woes.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

And how many more HUNDREDS have been called back? How many stations have RE-GAINED all furloughed mechanics since the Teamsters took over? How many new stations closed under AMFA have re-opened, or are scheduled to re-open under Teamsters?

Any union is limited by the contract. The Teamsters lived up to the challenge they were faced with, and is turning life around for us here at UAL.

The fact that we are still Teamsters should serve as proof. If most people feel as Third Street Hero does, we would not be Teamsters. UAL has a habit of dropping Unions who do not live up to our standards.

Don't let his crying words fool you. He is still sad he lost his union job.

Well it looks like Informer beat me to the answer, but he did leave out one thing....and that is its now completely obvious to even the most casual of observers, that it is you spewing your crying words here. You're terrified an AMFA win at American will hasten your departure from you appointed teamster at UAL.

Go ahead and comfort yourself with the idea nothing is happening at United. I'm sure the SWA teamsters were telling themselves the same thing right up until the moment AMFA filed.

 

[Anomaly]

Well it looks like Informer beat me to the answer, but he did leave out one thing....and that is its now completely obvious to even the most casual of observers, that it is you spewing your crying words here. You're terrified an AMFA win at American will hasten your departure from you appointed teamster at UAL.

Go ahead and comfort yourself with the idea nothing is happening at United. I'm sure the SWA teamsters were telling themselves the same thing right up until the moment AMFA filed.

I say AMFA is doing nothing at UAL because I do not see or hear anything at UAL . It is that simple. You keep pretending that this UAL AMFA campaign is any different than the one being held for the last 35 years.

 

[Anomaly]

Good point Brain.

Like many of the supporters here on this thread, at one time I believed all that AMFA offered. Once I became a member, I learned that dreams and fantasy are best left for children. The tuff world of reality gets in the way of AMFA's brazen ideas.

You have the right idea to check out AMFA's histories at other airlines. But please do not forget to look up the sorry plight of those AMFA represented mechanics at

Mesaba - bankruptcy. members left to fend for themselves

Ozark - merged with TWA. AMFA lost election to the IAM in 1986

Huges Airwest - Merged with Republic. AMFA lost to IAM in 1981

Southern Airways - Merged with Republic. AMFA lost to IAM in 1980

Braniff Airlines - Bankruptcy. Members left to fend for themselves

Trump Shuttle - AMFA never negotiated a contract. Merged with US AIR & AMFA lost representation to IAM in 1992

Atlantic Coast Airlines - the saddest story of all. Read just one disappointing chapter on ACA here

http://www.transform...-pay-price.html

Just a few years ago AMFA represented nearly 20,000 mechanics. Just over 10% are left

Think about it.

More to think about.

http://www.transformdpa.org/2010_09_01_archive.html

When AMFA began representing NWA mechanics and related employees in 1999, there were over 9,500 active employees in that group. Job security and layoff/outsourcing protections were the biggest concerns of the employee group.

Just a short time later, AMFA, with Seham's assistance (AMFA's Legal adviser), negotiated a new agreement, which it claimed contained the best job security and outsourcing language in the industry. In exchange for supposedly airtight language, AMFA agreed to save the airline money by restricting the seniority rights of its members during displacements.

The new language has been a fiasco. The negotiated "cap" actually allowed NWA to outsource a greater percentage of work than it ever had before, and NWA intensified its outsourcing throughout the entire period the contract was in effect. By 2005, most heavy- aircraft checks had been outsourced to nonunion overseas or domestic bases. Five years after AMFA and Seham took over representation, the NWA mechanic and related workforce had been reduced from approximately 9,500 active workers to 4,000.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

I say AMFA is doing nothing at UAL because I do not see or hear anything at UAL . It is that simple. You keep pretending that this UAL AMFA campaign is any different than the one being held for the last 35 years.

Oh and of course because "you" haven't heard anything thats the be-all-end-all to the matter.

Like I said...

Go ahead and comfort yourself with the idea nothing is happening at United. I'm sure the SWA teamsters were telling themselves the same thing right up until the moment AMFA filed.