Amfa Continues Downward Spiral

[AMFAMAN]

Layoffs Under the amfa's watch:

NWA- 4,876 (47.1%) layed off Detroit News
Aproximately 6,000 at UAL under the amfa's watch.
And then there is the 600 at Alaska. In fact if you do the math, aproximately 38% of the amfa's membership has been layed off. At one time the amfa represented almost 30,000 workers. Now they represent aproximately 18,000. The number of layed off TWU/AA workers is closer to 3500. You amfa guys are soooo weak. It's sad really.

[post="193668"][/post]​

The article makes no mention of 4,876 layoff. It notes an overall reduction of 4,876, which by the way includes close to 2,000 retirements. Let's not forget AMFA did more than double the retirement pay at NWA. Now if you want to compare real numbers, use the recall list.

Also, you truly can't be that ignorant or maybe you're just embarassed of your beloved IAM and their UAL track record. IAM allowed massive layoffs in INDY in 2000, 2001, and 2002, IAM refuses to negotiate concessions in June 2002 under the chant of "No Concessions," IAM gets a deal rejected in November 2002, IAM and UAL get told by the ATSB that it doesn't matter what they negotiated, UAL has an unreasonable financial projection, IAM lays down in front of the BK judge in Jan 2003, under IAM's watch, UAL layoffs 6,000 in March 2003, IAM negotiates and settles contract which allows those previously laid off to remain laid off and allows outsourcing of overhaul, IAM gets booted in July 2003.

But yet your ignorant self continues to blame AMFA.

BTW...What about the 7,000 documented jobs the twu lost, why no response? You're losing the layoff fight and you gutted the contract also, do you feel good loser.

 

[Decision 2004]

Also, you truly can't be that ignorant or maybe you're just embarassed of your beloved IAM and their UAL track record.

[post="193761"][/post]​

Oh yes he can be that ignorant. And he doesn't mind proving it with every post.

 

[Checking it Out]

IN GENERAL and with specific reference to the Newsome vs. NWA / IAM / AMFA lawsuit:


AMFA has received a report of a recent Internet bulletin board posting on The-Mechanic web site by an individual threatening to bring charges against every member who joins a class action lawsuit currently pending in the United States District Court for the Western District of Tennessee. The lawsuit was commenced by a variety of Northwest employees against Northwest, the IAM, and AMFA, arising from the post-September 11 layoffs.

It is AMFA's policy not to limit the right of any of its members to commence or join any court action. Further, it is AMFA's policy not to retaliate, or threaten to retaliate, against any member who commences or joins any court action. Accordingly, AMFA directs its members to refrain from making threats against other members who choose to participate in any lawsuit or administrative proceedings. We also remind all members that The-Mechanic web site is not an AMFA web site and that "www.AMFANATL.org" is the only authorized AMFA National web site.

Note: The courts have determined that the-mechanic.com site is sponsored by Amfa and the site administrator has received money from the different locals in the past! It's no coincidence the post was allowed on the site to begin with. Most of us know the site is heavily censored.

The Downward Spiral Continues!

 

[Decision 2004]

CIO,

Are you attempting to hide from your postings about saving 12,000 jobs and three maintenance bases again?

You can run, but you cannot hide.

 

[Hopeful]

You think the MIGHTY IAM would have learned their lesson at Eastern Airlines.





Union says US Airways aims to cut 2,800 jobs
Thursday, October 28, 2004

By Dan Fitzpatrick, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette



Bankrupt US Airways wants to cut its maintenance staff by as many as 2,800 people and farm out the work somewhere else, according to a top negotiator with the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers.





US Airways Watch
US Airways revealed the names of its largest secured creditors in bankruptcy documents filed Wednesday. The secured creditors are the first in line to get paid.
• US Bank $1.4 billion
• YC Susi Trust $647.5 million
• GE Capital Corp. $512.1 million
• Wilmington Trust Co. $403.4 million
• Wells Fargo $146.6 million
• Retirement Systems of Alabama $53.8 million
• Bank of America $25.2 million

America West Airlines, AirTrain and Independence Air, all low-fare carriers that serve Pittsburgh International Airport, reported third-quarter losses yesterday, citing high fuel costs and weak revenues.



The proposal would eliminate US Airways' 1,000 airplane cleaners and cut another 1,800 workers elsewhere, leaving the company with about 1,700 unionized mechanics, ground support personnel and stock clerks, according to Bill Freiberger, assistant general chairman for the union's District 142.

The Pittsburgh area, where much of the company's heavy maintenance work is handled, would be hit hard. Although the company did not predict where the cuts would be made, Freiberger estimates that as many as 2,000 jobs could be lost locally.

It "would pretty much wipe out Pittsburgh," Freiberger said.

The proposed cuts, according to Freiberger, were part of a company presentation Tuesday that laid out what the airline wants from the IAM while in bankruptcy. US Airways, which is seeking $950 million in annual concessions from all unions, asked the mechanics for $220 million in annual cost savings. A day earlier, it asked the baggagehandlers, who are represented by the IAM, for about $100 million, according to union officials.

US Airways did not return calls seeking comment.

Although, the company also is asking for pension plan changes and pay cuts, the bulk of the savings it's seeking would result from the outsourcing of work currently done by union members, Freiberger said.

The IAM, which for months resisted any reopening of its contract, has little choice left but to negotiate. In less than three weeks, US Airways will ask a U.S. Bankruptcy Court judge to throw out the IAM's collective bargaining agreements absent a consensual deal. It is promising to do the same with the flight attendants and passenger service agents -- two other unions that have yet to reach new cost-cutting pacts. Any new contract would supersede a four-month, 21 percent pay cut imposed by the bankruptcy judge on Oct. 8.

At this point, resisting the negotiating process "can be used against you," Freiberger said.

 

[Checking it Out]

AMFA Local Restructuring Proposal

October 2004

Guidelines and Rationale

AMFA National was given a mandate at the 2004 National Convention to consolidate small employee groups in numerous Locals into larger employee groups within a Local. For example, reassign the 6 Northwest members from Local 32 and the 12 Northwest members in Local 17 along with other Northwest members from other Locals into a single Local. The purpose of these reassignments would be to create a single Northwest member base in a single Local that would be large enough to rationally justify an Airline Representative for the group.

Discussions at the 2004 Convention resulted in the determination that the NEC has the authority to revoke a Local Charter if the NEC determines that the Local is not financially viable. Prior to the 2004 National Convention the NEC allowed two Locals to sign Promissory Notes whereby they refinanced their debts to National so they could send delegates to the Convention. At this time there are 7 Locals that owe in excess of $200,000.00 to National.

At the 2004 Convention there was much discussion regarding the financial viability of many of the Associations medium sized and smaller Locals. It is clear that some Locals lack the finances necessary to provide their members with basic services without relying on volunteerism. Even Locals that have approved dues assessments continue to show signs of financial instability. Regardless of these facts, the Delegates did not respond to the immediate needs of these Locals through a redistribution of, or increase in, membership dues.

The recent layoffs announced at Alaska Airlines have negatively affected the number of members that will remain in Local 37 to the point that the total number of members in Local 37 will fall below the 150 minimum to maintain a Local. On October 23, the NEC placed Local 37 in a Caretaker Trusteeship to oversee the closure of the Local. Local 34 will also see a reduction in Alaska membership to the point that the Locals’ total membership will be near the 150 mark.

Taking these things into consideration the NEC has drafted two plans to reassign members and consolidate Locals in order to meet the representational needs of AMFA’s membership and to improve the financial viability of the Locals.



AMFA Local Restructuring

Plan A

This plan was drafted from the current population based on the above guidelines:

Region I

Following the completion of layoffs at Alaska Airlines, Local 37 will have approximately 60 Alaska members and 47 Southwest members.

The approximately 60 remaining Alaska members are being reassigned to Local 17.
The 47 Southwest members are being reassigned to Local 32.
Local 37 (OAK) is being dissolved.

Local 34 (ANC) is losing a combined total of approximately 120 Alaska members, leaving the Local with approximately 90-100 Alaska members and 49 Northwest members. This will likely drop the Local’s total membership below the Constitutional minimum of 150. The NEC believes that even if the number remains above 150, the Local would not be financially viable.

The approximately 90 Alaska members are being reassigned to Local 17.
The 49 Northwest members are being reassigned to Local 14.
Local 34 not financially viable.

Local 3 (LAX) has 39 Alaska members and 41 Southwest members, clearly not enough to justify an Airline Representative for either group. Local 3 also has a total of 98 Northwest members (LAS 2), (LAX 85) and (SAN 11), not enough to justify an Airline Representative for the group.

The 39 Alaska members are being reassigned to Local 17.
The 41 Southwest members are being reassigned to Local 32.
The 98 Northwest members are being reassigned to Local 14.

Local 8 (DEN) has 10 Horizon members, clearly not enough to justify an Airline Representative for the group. Local 8 also has 16 United members in LAS that work under LAX management.

The 10 Horizon members are being reassigned to Local 17.
The 16 United members in LAS are being reassigned to Local 3.

Local 9 (SFO) has 24 Alaska members and 27 Northwest members, clearly not enough to justify an Airline Representative for either group.

The 24 Alaska members are being reassigned to Local 17.
The 27 Northwest members are being reassigned to Local 14.

Local 14 (SEA) has 34 Horizon members, clearly not enough to justify an Airline Representative for either group.

The 34 Horizon members are being reassigned to Local 17.

Local 17 (PDX) has 51 Alaska members, 12 Northwest members and 49 United members, clearly not enough to justify an Airline Representative for any of these groups.

The 51 Alaska members are being reassigned to Local 14.
The 12 Northwest members are being reassigned to Local 14.
The 49 United members are being reassigned to Local 14.

Local 32 has 21 Alaska members and 6 Northwest members, clearly not enough to justify an Airline Representative for either group.

The 21 Alaska members are being reassigned to Local 17.
The 6 Northwest members are being reassigned to Local 14.

Region II

Local 18 (HOU) has a total of 505 Southwest members, 125 of who are assigned to MDW.

The 125 Southwest members in MDW are being reassigned to Local 39 to solidify the number of Southwest members in that Local.

Local 35 (DLH) has 160 Northwest members. The Local is in financial distress.

The 160 Northwest members are being reassigned to Local 33, and Local 35 will be closed.

Region III

Local 2 (BOS) has 333 Independence members, the majority of which are assigned to IAD. These members are scheduled to be moved to a Local in that locality upon completion of CBA negotiations. Local 2 also has 90 Northwest members and 132 United members, not enough to justify an Airline Representative for either group.

The Independence members will be reassigned to Local 39 as part of this restructuring.
The Northwest members are being reassigned to Local 1.
The United members are being reassigned to Local 1.
Local 2 will be dissolved.

Local 4 (ORD) has 122 Northwest members, not enough to justify an Airline Representative for the group.

The 122 Northwest members are being reassigned to Local 5.

Local 5 has 105 Mesaba members, not enough to justify an Airline Representative for the group.
Local 5 also has 453 ATA members, most of who are stationed in IND and MDW. A new Local was slated to be chartered in IND for the ATA members stationed there, the remaining ATA members were to be reassigned to other Locals upon completion of CBA negotiations.

The 105 Mesaba members are being reassigned to Local 33.
The 453 ATA members will remain in Local 5.

Local 38 (MEM) has 16 Mesaba members, clearly not enough to justify an Airline Representative for the group. Local 38 also has 201 Northwest member, not enough to maintain a financially viable Local.

The 16 Mesaba members are being reassigned to Local 33.
The 113 Northwest members in MEM are being reassigned to Local 5.
The Northwest members in ATL (7), MIA (6), and MCO (27) are being reassigned to Local 1.
The Northwest members in DFW (17), IAH (15) and MSY (8) are being reassigned to Local 33.
Local 38 will be dissolved.

Local 39 (IAD) has 94 Northwest members, not enough to justify an Airline Representative for the group.

The 94 Northwest members are being reassigned to Local 1.

Summary of Plan A

In conjunction with the utilization of Area Representatives, in stations with sufficient member bases, the NEC believes this plan creates sufficient numbers of members to justify an Airline Representative for each employee group within these Locals. These changes will reduce the total number of Airline Representatives from 47 to 23 and will reduce the total number of Local officers from 90 to 65. These reductions will result in an overall increase in financial resources available to the remaining Locals.



AMFA Local Restructuring

Plan B

This plan was drafted as an expansion of Plan A as follows:

Region I

The implementation of Plan A would leave Local 3 (LAX) with 483 United members.

Plan B would reassign the 483 United members to Local 8.
Local 3 would be dissolved.

Region II

The implementation of Plan A would leave Local 18 (HOU) with 380 Southwest members.

Plan B would reassign the 285 (HOU), 7 (MCI), and 6 (STL) Southwest members to Local 11.
The 15 (BNA), 31 (MCO), 2 (MSY) and 34 (TPA) Southwest members would be reassigned to Local 39.
Local 18 would be dissolved.

Summary

These additional changes will reduce the total number of Airline Representatives from 47 to 20 and will reduce the total number of Local officers from 90 to 55. The NEC believes these additional consolidations will create 11 strong Locals that will have the resources necessary to provide improved representation for their members, with membership numbers necessary to become and/or remain financially viable.

The Downward Spiral Continues!!

 

[James T. Kirk]

Name: AMFA National
Email: admin@amfanatl.org
Employer: 603-527-9212
Station: Laconia, NH
Date: Monday November 01, 2004
Time: 06:49:22 PM


Comments



AMFA Local Restructuring Proposal

October 2004

Guidelines and Rationale

AMFA National was given a mandate at the 2004 National Convention to consolidate small employee groups in numerous Locals into larger employee groups within a Local. For example, reassign the 6 Northwest members from Local 32 and the 12 Northwest members in Local 17 along with other Northwest members from other Locals into a single Local. The purpose of these reassignments would be to create a single Northwest member base in a single Local that would be large enough to rationally justify an Airline Representative for the group.

Discussions at the 2004 Convention resulted in the determination that the NEC has the authority to revoke a Local Charter if the NEC determines that the Local is not financially viable. Prior to the 2004 National Convention the NEC allowed two Locals to sign Promissory Notes whereby they refinanced their debts to National so they could send delegates to the Convention. At this time there are 7 Locals that owe in excess of $200,000.00 to National.

At the 2004 Convention there was much discussion regarding the financial viability of many of the Associations medium sized and smaller Locals. It is clear that some Locals lack the finances necessary to provide their members with basic services without relying on volunteerism. Even Locals that have approved dues assessments continue to show signs of financial instability. Regardless of these facts, the Delegates did not respond to the immediate needs of these Locals through a redistribution of, or increase in, membership dues.

The recent layoffs announced at Alaska Airlines have negatively affected the number of members that will remain in Local 37 to the point that the total number of members in Local 37 will fall below the 150 minimum to maintain a Local. On October 23, the NEC placed Local 37 in a Caretaker Trusteeship to oversee the closure of the Local. Local 34 will also see a reduction in Alaska membership to the point that the Locals’ total membership will be near the 150 mark.

Taking these things into consideration the NEC has drafted two plans to reassign members and consolidate Locals in order to meet the representational needs of AMFA’s membership and to improve the financial viability of the Locals.



AMFA Local Restructuring

Plan A

This plan was drafted from the current population based on the above guidelines:

Region I

Following the completion of layoffs at Alaska Airlines, Local 37 will have approximately 60 Alaska members and 47 Southwest members.

The approximately 60 remaining Alaska members are being reassigned to Local 17.
The 47 Southwest members are being reassigned to Local 32.
Local 37 (OAK) is being dissolved.

Local 34 (ANC) is losing a combined total of approximately 120 Alaska members, leaving the Local with approximately 90-100 Alaska members and 49 Northwest members. This will likely drop the Local’s total membership below the Constitutional minimum of 150. The NEC believes that even if the number remains above 150, the Local would not be financially viable.

The approximately 90 Alaska members are being reassigned to Local 17.
The 49 Northwest members are being reassigned to Local 14.
Local 34 not financially viable.

Local 3 (LAX) has 39 Alaska members and 41 Southwest members, clearly not enough to justify an Airline Representative for either group. Local 3 also has a total of 98 Northwest members (LAS 2), (LAX 85) and (SAN 11), not enough to justify an Airline Representative for the group.

The 39 Alaska members are being reassigned to Local 17.
The 41 Southwest members are being reassigned to Local 32.
The 98 Northwest members are being reassigned to Local 14.

Local 8 (DEN) has 10 Horizon members, clearly not enough to justify an Airline Representative for the group. Local 8 also has 16 United members in LAS that work under LAX management.

The 10 Horizon members are being reassigned to Local 17.
The 16 United members in LAS are being reassigned to Local 3.

Local 9 (SFO) has 24 Alaska members and 27 Northwest members, clearly not enough to justify an Airline Representative for either group.

The 24 Alaska members are being reassigned to Local 17.
The 27 Northwest members are being reassigned to Local 14.

Local 14 (SEA) has 34 Horizon members, clearly not enough to justify an Airline Representative for either group.

The 34 Horizon members are being reassigned to Local 17.

Local 17 (PDX) has 51 Alaska members, 12 Northwest members and 49 United members, clearly not enough to justify an Airline Representative for any of these groups.

The 51 Alaska members are being reassigned to Local 14.
The 12 Northwest members are being reassigned to Local 14.
The 49 United members are being reassigned to Local 14.

Local 32 has 21 Alaska members and 6 Northwest members, clearly not enough to justify an Airline Representative for either group.

The 21 Alaska members are being reassigned to Local 17.
The 6 Northwest members are being reassigned to Local 14.

Region II

Local 18 (HOU) has a total of 505 Southwest members, 125 of who are assigned to MDW.

The 125 Southwest members in MDW are being reassigned to Local 39 to solidify the number of Southwest members in that Local.

Local 35 (DLH) has 160 Northwest members. The Local is in financial distress.

The 160 Northwest members are being reassigned to Local 33, and Local 35 will be closed.

Region III

Local 2 (BOS) has 333 Independence members, the majority of which are assigned to IAD. These members are scheduled to be moved to a Local in that locality upon completion of CBA negotiations. Local 2 also has 90 Northwest members and 132 United members, not enough to justify an Airline Representative for either group.

The Independence members will be reassigned to Local 39 as part of this restructuring.
The Northwest members are being reassigned to Local 1.
The United members are being reassigned to Local 1.
Local 2 will be dissolved.

Local 4 (ORD) has 122 Northwest members, not enough to justify an Airline Representative for the group.

The 122 Northwest members are being reassigned to Local 5.

Local 5 has 105 Mesaba members, not enough to justify an Airline Representative for the group.
Local 5 also has 453 ATA members, most of who are stationed in IND and MDW. A new Local was slated to be chartered in IND for the ATA members stationed there, the remaining ATA members were to be reassigned to other Locals upon completion of CBA negotiations.

The 105 Mesaba members are being reassigned to Local 33.
The 453 ATA members will remain in Local 5.

Local 38 (MEM) has 16 Mesaba members, clearly not enough to justify an Airline Representative for the group. Local 38 also has 201 Northwest member, not enough to maintain a financially viable Local.

The 16 Mesaba members are being reassigned to Local 33.
The 113 Northwest members in MEM are being reassigned to Local 5.
The Northwest members in ATL (7), MIA (6), and MCO (27) are being reassigned to Local 1.
The Northwest members in DFW (17), IAH (15) and MSY (8) are being reassigned to Local 33.
Local 38 will be dissolved.

Local 39 (IAD) has 94 Northwest members, not enough to justify an Airline Representative for the group.

The 94 Northwest members are being reassigned to Local 1.

Summary of Plan A

In conjunction with the utilization of Area Representatives, in stations with sufficient member bases, the NEC believes this plan creates sufficient numbers of members to justify an Airline Representative for each employee group within these Locals. These changes will reduce the total number of Airline Representatives from 47 to 23 and will reduce the total number of Local officers from 90 to 65. These reductions will result in an overall increase in financial resources available to the remaining Locals.



AMFA Local Restructuring

Plan B

This plan was drafted as an expansion of Plan A as follows:

Region I

The implementation of Plan A would leave Local 3 (LAX) with 483 United members.

Plan B would reassign the 483 United members to Local 8.
Local 3 would be dissolved.

Region II

The implementation of Plan A would leave Local 18 (HOU) with 380 Southwest members.

Plan B would reassign the 285 (HOU), 7 (MCI), and 6 (STL) Southwest members to Local 11.
The 15 (BNA), 31 (MCO), 2 (MSY) and 34 (TPA) Southwest members would be reassigned to Local 39.
Local 18 would be dissolved.

Summary

These additional changes will reduce the total number of Airline Representatives from 47 to 20 and will reduce the total number of Local officers from 90 to 55. The NEC believes these additional consolidations will create 11 strong Locals that will have the resources necessary to provide improved representation for their members, with membership numbers necessary to become and/or remain financially viable.

Click Here for .pdf File of AMFA Local Restructuring Proposal

 

[Bob Owens]

Imagine that, a union that is focused on creating a locals that are strong, financially viable and not dependant on a $3.1 million payoff from the company!

 

[Checking it Out]

Actually with a number of lawsuits and a continued reduction of members it wont take long for Amfa to go into default! please show us how they are saving our profession again?

Bob, I see you are still pissed off about losing your cushy position from home.

The Downward Spiral Continues!

 

[Bob Owens]

Actually with a number of lawsuits and a continued reduction of members it wont take long for Amfa to go into default! please show us how they are saving our profession again?

Bob, I see you are still pissed off about losing your cushy position from home.

The Downward Spiral Continues!

[post="197549"][/post]​

Oh really? What lawsuits? Didnt the TWU just setlle several lawsuits from members? Is there any union in existance that has been sued by its own members as much as the TWU?

After this next round of layoffs how many mechanics will we be down to ?

 

[James T. Kirk]

Name: Jason
Email: WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AMFA AND THE IAM !?!?!?!?
Employer: NWA
Station: MSP
Date: Saturday November 06, 2004
Time: 00:39:36 AM


Comments
CAN ANYONE TELL ME AMFA IS NOT CORRUPT?

I didn't believe it when people told me a few years back that AMFA would turn out just like the IAM. Now I really wonder. The BOYS at the top of amfa don't want to be voted out so what do they do when they are voted out???? - They contest the vote and get a NEUTRAL PARTY to investigate.

WHO IS THIS NEUTRAL PARTY???? - Seham and Seham - The lawyers for AMFA (who are buddies with the BOYS AT THE TOP).

They don't like the outcome of the MEMBERSHIP VOTES so have the election overturned and call for a RE-VOTE!!

THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE IAM DOES WHEN IT DOESN'T LIKE THE OUTCOMES OF ELECTIONS

I AM PISSED!!! AMFA, YOU ARE LETTING ME DOWN!!

SOMEBODY, PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE THERE IS ANY HOPE ANYMORE!! I figured at least with AMFA there was some hope. No longer!! THE AIRLINE COMPANIES ARE GOING TO WIN!!

NOW, I CANT EVEN SUPPORT AMFA ANY LONGER. I GUESS WE WILL GET WHAT WE DESERVE!

I'm sorry to all those who had faith in us (AMFA)!!!

I would appreciate the details of this subject.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

You wanted details of the AMFA scam at the top? Here you go

Amfa (local 33) went to a lawyer by the name of SCOTT PETERSON (Seham and Seham) and asked him if laid off members who are paying full dues were allowed to vote in the election for national officers. SCOTT PETERSON said " yes, they are eligible to vote." So, the AMFA membership voted and the outcome was revealed. When some of the people at the top got voted out, and some local 33 members were voted in, some unhappy people filed a protest to the vote.

The boys at the top of AMFA decided to do an investigation with a " NEUTRAL PARTY DOING THE INVESTIGATION." This NEUTRAL party was SCOTT PETERSON. Now that he had pressure from the boys at the top, he told Local 33 that "the laid off members who were paying full dues were INELIGIBLE to vote in the election."

HUH???? WHY WOULD HE CHANGE HIS POSITION ON THIS??

So now we will have to re-vote on two of the positions (not all of them) because of the ineligible voters (who SCOTT PETERSON -of Seham and Seham - advised local 33 to allow to vote in the first place).

NOW CAN YOU SEE WHY I AM SO UPSET??? I'm not mad because MY candidate didn't get in. I really don't care who does to tell you the truth. I'm mad at the whole situation. I voted the IAM out for reason EXACTLY like this one.

IF THIS ISN'T CORRUPTION, WHAT IS?!?!?!?!?

Why wouldn't laid off members paying dues get to vote, the associate members at American Airlines not paying full dues got to vote in the national election!

 

[Raptor]

The Airlines are going to win and hose us all no matter what Union you are in, so really the best thing for all of us to do is to stop worring about what Union we are in and start thinking about what job we are going to be doing until we retire
for me that will be another 13 years, I don't expect most of our Aircraft Mechanic jobs will be around much longer, but there is no sense getting bummed out about it we will just have to find other jobs that is really all we can do.
Probably the guys who get laid off first will be the luckiest as there will be more jobs available then than later.

Good luck to all we are going to need it. :unsure:

 

[Decision 2004]

The Airlines are going to win and hose us all no matter what Union you are in, so really the best thing for all of us to do is to stop worring about what Union we are in and start thinking about what job we are going to be doing until we retire
for me that will be another 13 years, I don't expect most of our Aircraft Mechanic jobs will be around much longer, but there is no sense getting bummed out about it we will just have to find other jobs that is really all we can do.
Probably the guys who get laid off first will be the luckiest as there will be more jobs available then than later.

Good luck to all we are going to need it. :unsure:

[post="198797"][/post]​

I still want to know where that all-powerful AFL-CIO is at?

Since all the way back in 1989 the TWU has used the AFL-CIO Affiliation as the main reason NOT to change unions to AMFA, now when the going gets about as tough as it can get, where is the AFL-CIO advantage? I don't see it. They use your dues to support liberals, and refuse to stand and fight for the working man unless it through worthless Politicians.

While I agree that ALL unions are suffering, the TWU claimed AFL-CIO was the way to go, AMFA claimed ALL Mechanics in ONE UNION. Well here we are, ALL MECHANCIS are not in one UNION because AA/NMB sided with the TWU with an inflated list, yet the AFL-CIO Affiliation is there, and NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING.

AFL-CIO is nothing more than another weak dues collection agency without a backbone.

 

[Nightwatch]

Actually, most of us against AMFA only add the non-AFL-CIO affiliation as another item against AMFA. Delle and his real-estate moguls have shone of late. Soon Delle and you will run out of other entities to lay blame to. Can't wait, to bad others have to suffer so you can have dinner with a midget.

 

[Buck]

Actually, most of us against AMFA only add the non-AFL-CIO affiliation as another item against AMFA. Delle and his real-estate moguls have shone of late. Soon Delle and you will run out of other entities to lay blame to. Can't wait, to bad others have to suffer so you can have dinner with a midget.

[post="198827"][/post]​

Why don't you answer the question?

What is the AFL-CIO doing?